Who was the founder of the Moth Priest Order?
And to which Divine are the monks dedicated?

I don't think we have a founder. But Ancestor Worship is universal, and the Ancestor Moth has been there as long as Nibenay has. It's a rather iconic part of their culture. The Cult Of Apple Pie. There may have been Moth Priest Shamans among the tribes of pre-Alessian Cyrodiil.

Can we pinpoint a period where someone founded the Order of the Moth Priests, specifically? I realise that Ancestor Worship is practiced widely.

To answer your second question (before TWM, who undoubtedly would), it's Julianos.

Julianos? Probably retroactively.

http://www.imperial-library.info/nine_divines/. Maybe so, though; not something I've done hella reading on though, though I'm sure TWM will enlighten us soon, lol.

edit: that was a rather random link. Changed it.

I'm not sure. Cyrodiil has allot of cults and while there might be a few variations on the cults of the Nine, I reckon not all of them are strictly tied to a god. Rather then a god they go with different philosophies. Think Marakuthi Selective, Knights of the Nine, ect.

So not specifically worship.

Scratch that, OP asked for dedication.

edit: Indeed. Removed statement since I don't know how to cross out text.

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:lol:
Well, I read some librarian bios while I was there. Why did Sinder Velvin leave?

He went crazy. Something about a girl.

A thousand thanks, Proweler.

I pray that bit about Sinder Velvin is laced with (hopefully) a great deal of sarcasm. May I ask the particulars of that incident?

Yes. No. It's been to long.

Cool. Fair enough.

Halfway surprised TWM didn't answer OP. Then again, I'm not.

Although the practice of catching the fjyron (or "will to peace") of an ancestor spirit in the silk from a gypsy moth indigenous to the Nibenay Valley known as an "ancestor moth" dates back to the early Cyro-Nordic 1st Era, it was the early Nibenese that transformed the practice into the "Cult of the Ancestor-Moth" which began using chanting and mantras. Withstanding the religious upheaval of the War of Righteousness, the Cult persisted and only became assimilated into the School of Julianos as an established Order at the command of Tiber Septim himself much later. The newly established "Order of the Ancestor Moth" was charged with the duty of being the custodians and interpreters of the Elder Scrolls themselves due to the Moth Priests' ability to "sing the future into the present", a fitting place for the Order, considering that Julianos is also the god of sorcery and enchantment. (See http://www.imperial-library.info/tsomw/mw_5.shtml)

Thus the Order was likely dedicated to the same ancestor worship exhibited by many early races, and only later becoming consolidated into being a branch focusing its efforts to the glory of Julianos.

Hope this helps, muthsera.


Hope I didn't let ya down, my friend. :foodndrink:



Fixed that, didn't we? :rock:


___TWM

edited: I'm a [censored]. Meant you didn't disappoint.

Ironic I do something so dumb in a thread about Julianos...

edited: No worries, my friend. Always a pleasure "seeing" you.

"Julianos, God of Wisdom and Logic, is the deity of literature, law, history, sorcery, enchantment, and alchemy. Monastic orders founded by Tiber Septim and dedicated to Julianos are the keepers of the Elder Scrolls."
Quote from TWM's link above.

So can I conclude founder = Tiber Septim
Diety = Julianos

Thats quite an astute deduction, muthsera

Thank you, I enjoyed discussing this.

Wow, it's refreshing to see a question get answered actually! Usually it ends up in an endless circle of debate where no one can ever agree!

Crap, now that I said that someone's gonna come along and ruin everthing!


But an actual question: What of he elder scrolls before the order got ahold of them? Did they exist even? Did they just kind of float around and every once in a while someone was lucky enough to actually READ one of them?

Doesn't say. Just says that they came about at the beginning of the Third Era.

it is said that they predate the gods so they existed. i would guess that they were in the hands of various rulers and nobles who used them as best they could (or just kept them as trophies) until Tiber brought them all together.

Oh yeah...I've been losing it today...

edit: well speaking about them in a "tangible" sense, they're only noted as being "created," so to speak, at the beginning of the Third Era.

It doesnt actually say they predate the godds anywhere either. It says they "exceed" the gods, which the word exceed and predate are not the same at all, not even related. Exceed has to do ith prominance/power that sort of thing, nowhere in that word is time indicated in the least. (Yeah, I was involved in a discussion on this a little bit back...)

So they could indeed have been created in the third age I guess (which I guess that's why there are no Elder Scrolls games that take place in the other ages!) I don't know though.