If you want to be overpowered, look up the term "cheat codes".

Try that.

Sure you can say just don't use it if you think it's overpowered, but the extent to which it's OP is such that every class/build benefits from maxing both smithing and enchanting. If you don't, then you're artificially weakening your character to keep the game challenging. But that's not necessarily a fun way to play. When I play an RPG, part of the fun is figuring out clever ways to make my character stronger so I can beat bosses/etc. It's fun to make the strongest character you can based on the rules the developers programmed into the game. It's not as fun to have to adjust those rules with artificial restrictions of your own every time you discover a trick that makes the game easy-mode.

If the difficulties mattered, and there was an option that actually provided challenge granted the ridiculous amount of "'sploits" in the game... then it wouldn't really matter, but sadly there isn't. The game is too easy unless you just decide not to be good at it. That shouldn't be an issue?

This
MMO's have ruined some people's ability to think of games in any other terms. It's kinda sad, really.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything in a single player game lol.

It's fairly obvious the skill fortify stacking was not intended to affecting smithing and enchanting in this way. It is very, very obvious that it's exploiting a design oversight.

Iron Daggers are clearly bugged. They seemingly give 10% xp at any level instead of just10 xp period or something. That needs to be fixed as it's clearly not intentional. Once that's fixed grinding to 100 in a matter of minutes is over and balance is restored to the world.

You can still grind these things by improving everything you find and enchanting everything you find, but that's not as blatantly exploity as the iron dagger thing.

Frankly, cottage cheese shouldn't even be made, and in this case, we're just trading it for butter milk. It's like the Deus ex Machina dimple monkey twice the pudding octopie for tango man. Very blender shoe cellular... scooter my daisy heads. Diddly day.

Edit: MT

WHO CARES?! ITS A SINGLE PLAYER GAME!

really, people are [censored] stupid.

That makes no sense in the given context.

I was pointing out that if you think something is an exploit, then don't...exploit it. It's your choice how you play.

All semantics aside, there are no real "exploits" in a single-player game that is about simply playing your own character as you choose.

And the eventual idea is that your character eventually becomes a powerful force to be reckoned with. Eventually.

Not "herp derp, gonna powerlevel one skill over and over while not actually leveling up overall, OMG NOW I'M SO OVERPOWERED TIME TO MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT"

Did you know that this series has always been about giving you a number of ways to play that are only limited by your own choices and inclinations?

Nobody has to max out a level ASAP after starting a character. Some of us...we just play and let things happen and change as they do.

Coincidentally, I like how I can now sometimes just let the flow of the rivers I find carry me along to new destinations. Fun results, sometimes.

Don't forget about MJ's left shoe.

Yeah, because honestly, who cares if there is a "Beat the game instantly" hot key right next to the attack button that you have to go out of your way not to press. I mean... that isn't annoying or anything.

Its a single player game


There are no exploits that harm anyone

I'm sorry but how the heck are you people making OP gear? I have 100 Enchanting and 95 Smithing, and a few pices of +smithing gear that i enchanted myself. I can only upgrade my gear to Legendary, i don't think it goes past that? I tried putting my +smithing gear on and off but there wasn't any difference, i think the cap is 150 or 175 Smithing which grants you Legendary.

I've never seen +enchanting gear, only potions. Does this enchantment even exist?

To the people asking why complainers care:

You're right that is a single-player game, so if someone else wants to exploit a balancing issue that's their business. You're also right that I can simply choose to ignore smithing altogether if I want to - but for many, this is only a temporary solution to the problem.

The thing you're missing is, some of us actually want to use smithing as one of our main skills. We want to spend lots of time smithing without becoming the best blacksmith in all of Tamriel in a matter of hours. The sooner Bethesda fix the problem, the sooner Smithing becomes a viable skill for players wishing to play the role of a blacksmith, rather than a skill for those looking for a really quick way to become an indestructable killing machine (which i'm sure is not what Bethesda intended).

It's a single player game, YOU choose if you use those exploits.

Maybe a matter of game hours at the MOST.

Seriously, people that use the word "grinding" to describe this process don't even know what it means.

How is that even an argument? Because you aren't forced to to do anything in a single player game, and what other people do won't affect you in YOUR game, that means the game should have as many bugs and exploits as possible? And instead of removing those exploits, now you are blaming the gamers for not wanting them in the game?

Blacksmithing costs about 2000 gold per training session to level at higher levels, if you pay the trainer.
Common sense dictates that you shouldn't be able to train it so much cheaper by yourself by crafting iron daggers. If it was meant to be easy, why then is the training so expensive?
Obviously, iron daggers should have diminishing returns at higher levels. Alchemy has that. Heck, even sharpening iron daggers does not increase blacksmithing as much as sharpening dwarven daggers.
So obviously, blacksmithing isn't meant to be leveled so easily with iron daggers. There should have been diminishing returns, the way it is intended. It is meant to be leveled with more difficulty than what it is now.

Blacksmithing, enchanting and alchemy exploit shouldn't be there. If it was meant to be used in this manner, then why do weapons and armor you find do not have grossly powerful enchants like what you can do? Why do fabled daedra lord artifacts not even have such ridiculous power? If the game is meant to be played with ridiculous OP gear, shouldn't it be more abundant?
So again, common sense says that this exploit was an oversight that was not meant to be in the game, and it should be removed.

Stop using the false argument that it is a single player game and so exploits should be in the game. Exploits like this break the immersion that the devs work so hard to put in this game.

I'm really amazed people keep using this exact, awful argument, I'm starting to get Fox News talking point vibes from it.

Yeah, some people like even their single player games to have balanced combat free of broken mechanics.

alchemy is a slow getting up, but Smithing and if you have lots of money, and time, then yeah Enchanting, but to be honest, I have 100 Smithing, only because I worked really hard getting it, I did not do it fast, it was over time, I'm level 37, but it took me ages getting it to 100

Exploits are FUN. I don't want them removed.
Hell, I'd take a levitation spell any day of the week. Whatever's fun.

When it comes down to becoming immersed in the massive worlds of tes, I always level up slowly. Very slowly. When I try to be powerful, the game goes by moderately quickly, but there's so much to do I never get bored. When I want to completely screw around with a game, I exploit the hell out of it. Looking for glitches and one shotting giants with poisons is a part of the experience of doing whatever the hell we want. It's a damned good time.

Then what is stopping you? If you want to be a blacksmith then go right ahead, it still takes forever to lvl it up the right way. After you go mine the amount of ore it takes to make one single set of armor you'll have spent hours doing it. Not to mention hunting to get the leather. I'm sure it will hold you off until EA's Black Smither 2013 comes out.

The ability to make godlike equipment has been a part of every elder scrolls game ever made. I choose to wear leather armor. Some people choose to stack smithing and enchantent and alchemy to become semi-immortal. To each his own.

It isn't even just iron daggers though, that's just the least taxing item to craft. Any crafted item, iron regalia, steel, whatever can be smithed over and over for like 60% of a level. It's complete bs.
As far as people who "use that argument", well, this is planet Earth. Look at current events. People aren't bright... it's science.

With points like these, why would anyone argue further? Despite the fact that this details exactly why and which problem[s] exist with smithing, I actually expect users to continue posting, making the same claims that have already been countered.

I don't get it. Sounds to me like people just like to whine, even if it requires being blind to sensibility.

What's hilarious is that this is a single player game with zero multiplayer, and people are whining about something being overpowered. These same people are asking for a patch to prevent themselves from using something that they consider to be an exploit, instead of simply stopping their own use of it.

I mean really, if you don't like using something in the game, then stop using it.

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