You could have "Dar Jee and family Khajiit joke club".

I'd tie the dynamic race specific quests to the minor race factions and the storylines to the major ones. If there are three racial assaisnation guilds the only tings that will be different with the quests are who is giving the quest and who is getting killed.

hmm good thought. I would imagine they could also use Radiant Story to partially create some of the quests without making them feel too randomly generated, but I don't FULLY understand all the intricacies of Radiant Story, so i might be wrong

It's not like the Redguards are gonna get together and JUST talk about how the other races svck. Each race has thier own problem they have to deal with, but it doesn't have to be ALL ABOUT RACISM.

Dunmer couldn't care less about Orcs IMO, but they'll be very much against Argonians, and maybe imperials.

No need to shout. What would it entail then? I genuinely think guilds or factions is just a little pointless/taking it too far (although I do like the idea of race specific quests). What would the factions/guilds deal with which would mean that they have to be race specific?

No, it would be annoying and restrictive. I'm never going to play an orc or a human, so I'd completely miss out on those factions and part of the game. A faction based on what RACE you are? There's no real choice in that at all, and its superfluous, complex for the sake of being complex, which in actuality makes it oversimplified and crude, IMO. It would be okay if there were like, 2 races, but there are 10 and that's just too many separate factions and it would be weird to have to start 10 new different characters, even if you feel no connection to them, just to experience a race-specific faction.

Dunmer->trying to find their place after being driven out of Morrowind
Imperials ->trying to keep their position as a political super-power
Argonians-> trying to justify their conquest of new lands.
Altmer-> being as snobbish as they are, I'm sure they just want to rule the land.
Bosmer-> some lame woodelf stuff

IDK I'm not a writer, but I'm sure they all have their problems

It's a time of war, this is the opportune time for any race to take control

But for all of those, surely someone from another race could be a sympathiser and therefore join their cause? If they're not allowed purely because of their race (not taking into account political/cultural affiliations), then it's still just a racist organisation, surely?

I think it would be interesting to have, but i hope its not too big of a thing. Oblivion, the dark brotherhood guys liked you more if you were argonian born under the shadow. But i hope it doesn't turn into a "You have to do 10 play throughs in order to do everything"

Maybe a faction that is racist against the beast races, and a counter-faction that is fighting back against them.

I think it's a decent idea. Racism exists, whether you like it or not.

It's war, races don't trust other races. during WWII we (USA) put Japanese-americans (really just asain-americans) in what can be defined as a work camp, it didn't matter if they said they liked the US.

During the cold war Russians were considered evil and untrustworthy

I do see your point though, it just depends on how serious the decomposition of the empire has been. If it's chaos, then my idea would work, but if it's very orderly then i imagine some races will still trust others, but there will definitely be racism on a grand-scale.

I love the idea, but it would be hard to implement a faction for all nine races. Maybe race-specific factions including multiple races. A beast race only guild for Argonians, Orcs, and Khajiit, a Mer guild for Altmer, Bosmer, and Dunmer (or maybe the Altmer would have their own, given their general derogatory disposition toward the other races), and a Human faction for Redguards and Imperials. Maybe Bretons would have their own, since they're part Mer-part human.

well argonians hate Khajiits, and orcs are actually Mer. Altmer and Dunmer hate eachother in addition to bosmer, so a mer guild wouldn't work. Redguards and imperials might work though, and i dont know about bretons.

you forgot Nords... but i'd imagine they are by themselves too

Good idea, because its adds replay value.

Either race specific organisations or ones that exclude one or more races from joining.
I can imagine a Dunmer guild not wanting Argonians to join, or an Altmer one not allowing Imperials.

Don't know why I forgot them, since the game is called Skyrim. They'd fit in the Human faction, but they'd have a lot of influence because the game is based in their region.

Orcs could fit in the beast race, since Mer really don't acknowledge them as Mer. Altmer would need their own, since they believe they're the superior race and wouldn't want to be affiliated with other Mer as equals. Rivalry between the Argonians and Khajiit could be used as the storyline for the beast guild.

Absolutely not. I don't like the idea of implementing blatant racism. I like that races are not bound to certain roles in this game. It's anti-RPG in my opinion to do that, and while this isn't as extreme as that I don't like the idea at all.

This reminds me of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Benjamin Sisko doesn't want to go to a holoprogram based on an old fashioned casino because in the time period it depicts black people would never be allowed in. Kasidy Yates, his girlfriend, tells him not to let that bother him, that the program depicts how it should have been.

I don't expect Skyrim to be a happy go lucky romp of course, but I don't think something as disgusting as rampant racism to the point you can join factions based only on race is a good idea at all.

You're obviously going overboard on your thinking. We're not talking "Imperials only, no Redguards!" with separate water fountains; We're talking about lore. I'm sure all the races of Tamriel are not Telle-Tubby buddies with each other. I'm not too keen on lore, but I'm sure that many provinces have gone to war with each other, leaving the two races of said provinces to be bitter towards one another (i.e. Racist).

I myself am not too fond of RPGs that promote going along one path and requiring you to have 10 playthroughs to experience everything (New Vegas..?), but Elder Scrolls is not a game you play once, and who knows, maybe you could do something to prove yourself and get into the "No Argonians" faction of you're an Argonian.

well having things how they "should" be is just being idealistic and, according to my own philosophy, ideal=unreal.

Most races in Tamriel hate each other, yet there are no organizations that are race-specific. it doens't mean everyone has to be blatently racist though.

My father's boss belongs to a "no black no jew" and probably "no asian no mexican" private club in santa barbara California, but i know him very well, and he is most definitely not racist himself. these kind of organization really do exist however, and they always have and somewhere in the world they always will.

Sorry, buddy. But you are objectively wrong. He is racist by definition.

I'd much prefer factions based on cultural or political differences (which could probably have a racial majority). Just having a "no [insert race here] allowed" club seems overly simplistic and a bit dull.

[Edit]: imo, obviously.

yes, just like real life.

There isnt enough hatred and vitriol in this series

Morrowind did not do justice to what it actually means to be a slave and a master, so in that respect it was just as "awful". Anyways we are smashing faces with maces. I wouldnt necessarily mind increased tension in Skyrim. Especially with civil war going on

yeah thats why he provides steady jobs with decent pay to as many hatians who otherwise would have a very tough time right now, and gives my half-jew mother gifts for her birthday.

When your as rich as he is (my father is a manager for one of the restraunts he owns) sometimes you just belong to such clubs.

just because he belongs to a certain club to play golf doesnt mean he agrees with all their policies. I guess you can call him a racist, but you dont know him so Please continue, my good sir.

Doesn't sound like the type of club I'd like to be in anyways. Hard enough being in large groups of white people. But with a "no blacks" policy... sounds awkward.

I don't think you understand how racism works. By even being part of it and supporting it in the least bit, by not just tolerating that it exists but by being a part of it is racist. It is a group that does not allow black people, jewish people, and possibly asian people to join just because they are of that race. It is IRRELEVANT what else he does and how nice he is or whatever. He is racist if he is part of that group. It is not up for debate. That's how it is. I'm sorry that you do not understand that but that's how racism works.