I know Khajit and Argonians must be incompatible with all races except their own in terms of Reproduction. All the Elven Races are compatible but the races tend to have a lot of pride in Elder Scrolls, doubt it happens often. What I do notice is how the human looking people have carrying skin tones. Dark Nords, Dark Imperials, Dark Bretons. From a racial stand point a White person does have the capability to develop dark skin, but only if their families genetic line live in a darker climate for thousands of years. Here is an example.


http://racialreality.110mb.com/skincolor.html

I don't think any racial mixing has gone one with the Red Guard people, probably some though, I do notice some of them look mixed, like an Ethiopian persons face, more so in Skyrim then in Oblivion where they just looked like a standard African Negro (Negro means black, hope your people aren't sensitive race alarmists when race is spoken of, don't get all Hegelian dialect on me please Admins)

Another thing I notice is there are so many brown skinned Imperials, I think their long lost ancestry is in Hammerfell where they probably lived in small desert communities since the RedGuard lived in their massive cities and did not like outsiders, thats why so many Imperials must have brown skin. It is obvious that the Imperials are modeled after Romans but Brown skinned people were more prevalent during the Roman Kingdom days in Italy before the Italic tribes did significant mixing. During the Roman Empire which Cyrodiil obviously takes influence from, the people had mostly Olive-Fair skin with pale being very rare, light eyes being very rare, most people had brown-hazel eyes.


Mixing must go on between Bretons, Nords and Imperials, I have seen a lot of dark eyed Nords and Bretons. If you go by the real world influences the Lore takes from, Bretons would represent the Celtic tribes and Nords, Germanic tribes. Historically, Brown eyes and dark Brown eyes was virtually non existent, less then how many Romans had light eyes which was already low. I have seen some Nords and Bretons who have some very dark eyes. Mixing with the Imperials must have gone on a lot, they are arguably the most dominating race through the ages in Tamriel economically and even their Armies have dominated Tamriel.


So, my conclusion is all the Caucasian looking people mixed among each other and also took wives from Hammerfell which is rare but it has happened significantly in the past. Contrary to our real world where White women are trophies for Black men, I don't know what its like where you live but where I live in Canada, most women with Black men are ugly/fat and if shes good looking she is usually trashy and uneducated, used to go out everyday for about 2 years so I saw a lot of people.


Well I made most of this up to suit what I think about the Lore, is any of it right ? For those of you who know a lot about Elder Scrolls.

Drink.

As always, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biology states that people born of two races take the mother's race but with some traits of the father (so a Dunmer with an Imperial dad might have slightly rounder ears).

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biology

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biology

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/notes-racial-phylogeny-and-biology

That is all you need. In short, kids will be the mom's race, with VERY subtle traits from dad. Took the aldmer and nedics ~1000 years of semi-closed breeding to become bretons. Also, redguards did not originate on Tamriel, they came from Yokuda, a continent west of Tamriel. The Imperials come from man who were known as "nedes" or the "nedic tribes."

A lot of what you wrote assumes RL genetics, which is a very wrong assumption to make, as TES has its own genetic rules.

huh, I've been wondering about this haha

You can still apply real life genetics in terms of eye color, it is obvious the Bretons and Nords have been mixing with the Imperials significantly and the RedGuard obviously have considering the way they look in Skyrim.

Look at the Grand Champion of the Arena in OB. His mother was an orc and his father was a human. Yet he's an orc. I'm not entirely sure about human breeding, but the Cyrodiils have not been mixing that much with Redguards at least. I know the Septims had Breton and Nord blood though.

*gulp*

This is the probably the most ridiculous opening post I have seen in my long career here on the TES lore forums. Just some gems:


You don't happen to be that guy who made that "Less Dirty Caucasian Women" mod for Skyrim, are you?


lulz the URL.

There is actually no proof of that. As the previously mentioned texts say, people don't know if Argonians and Khajiit can have offspring with other races. Given that the child is by-and-large the mother's race, it'd be nearly impossible to tell, too.

There is, actually, some proof to claim the opposite, that http://imperial-library.info/content/vitharn-fall... though given the source, it's circumstantial at best.

There's no way argonians can breed with men and mer. They aren't even descended from the Ehlnofey. They aren't even mammal. They lay eggs. There's just no way.

Counter argument I expect: The Elder Scrolls doesn't have the same genetic rules as real biology.

To that I say: Go screw a lizard.

Didn't a Dev say Argonians don't lay eggs?

Life-Time Subscriber to Mankind Quarterly, I see.

SUMMON THE DEMON BEAR!

I think it may have been Pete who said that they were ovoviviparous in either an interview or on twitter? I can't really remember all that clearly.

And contrary to what Firefox is telling me, ovoviviparous is in fact a word. stupid browsers.

Too... early... in the morning... to be... snarky....

Somebody sticky one of these interbreeding topics, please.
And Trillid, as always, to that, I say: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/vitharn-fall

No it is a fine argument actually. You need to work on the presentation though.

First you need to mind the qualifiers of your statement. It is easier to defend relative statements then sweeping statements. So instead of saying there is no way, you could say you severely doubt it is possible for Argonians and man to breed. This will head of arguments involving magical experiments. Or should come that far, allow you to modify your stance to doubting it is possible in a natural way.

It is good that you keep in mind the potentiality counter arguments, though do make sure that they are actual counter arguments. Nobody looks good knocking down straw-man.
For example you are making a claim based on the difference in the origins of man and hist, this is entirely in universe so an appeal to real world biology would be rather out of place. Rather one of the counter arguments you could expect is that the hist and elnofey are both et'Ada, and should adhere to the same principles. Which you might counter by saying that such relation is highly speculative. The hist and elnofey are radically different to the best of our knowledge. Again this has the advantage of allowing you to concede the point gracefully when extra information is given.

Finally while strong statements help to show that you are convinced of your argument and may sway others to think the same, actually insulting people makes it personal. When you aim to convince people this is the last thing you want.

edit:

And also, proof reading.

Have seen the kind of bears that live in Canada?!

http://imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-others

I also remember seeing another post somewhere about how Argonians may be more likely to lay eggs in a "safer" environment, while in harsher environments they will be more likely to carry it around inside until birth.

Thanks you for the link, Ive been wondering that situation as well...

Thank you. I thought I had read it somewhere that had credibility.

Well that's just false. When you think about it, from where did the dark eyes of the modern descendants of the Celts in Britain come from? Most of the peoples who invaded since were Germanic. How many dark eyed Romans would it take it to end up with what we have today, let alone preceding influxes of teutonic people?

As for Redguard-White People intermarriages, King Gothryd of Daggerfall actually demanded Princess Aubk-i as his bride after winning the war. Nobody in Daggerfall seemed to bat an eyelid at that and in fact, she was very popular there. High Elves might not like black queens, but Bretons certainly don't mind (maybe except for Dark Elven ones). Or perhaps Morgiah just brought out racism in people because she was blatantly such a [censored].


That is so Bloodmoon.

That one's from http://imperial-library.info/content/forum-archive-mark-nelson.

So in a nutshell: Argonians. What's up with that?

Khajiit are descended from the same ilk as men and mer, so their compatible.

Argonians are descended from the Hist, so they aren't.

Who dafuq knows about Sload and the beasts of Akavir?

Dragons don't breed at all.

No, the dev said that, depending on the climate, Saxhleel will either lay eggs (warm and tropical) or keep them inside (not warm and tropical)

Did you read Huleed and Lady N's responses? I assumed those two sources they linked were accurate.