I had a character in Oblivion inspired by someone I knew and held several updates with them about their progress and eventually their death.

Random question, but how old would ya'll say the two potential protags were? They didn't seem fresh faced but hardly withered either. Early/mid thirties?

Technically speaking all humans share a common ancestor the pigment of our skin is directly relative to our closeness to the equator. So in that regard, race is just a cultural abstract. That being said I believe Bethesda handled it perfectly in Fallout 4. This way no group can claim exclusion either.

If thats true why were the Indians or Eskimos compareable to europeans so dark skinned? And all liveform had a common ancestor so what does that mean you and a squid are the same?

Really, this has got to be another one of those "scraping the bottom of the barrel" threads, and can lead no where good in the long run.

With that said, who cares? Just color your guy/woman however you want, nobody is gong to care, since it's a single player game, and can't tell you how to make your character(s). If it's an issue for you, then grow up like the rest of us have.

First of all Native Americans and Eskimos crossed the the land bridge that used to connect the North Western Continental Americas to Eastern Asia before the continental drift. I didn't state that all forms of life share a common ancestor either. I said all humans. Humans sharing a common ancestor has been proven by Anthropologists and Archeologists and is widely accepted in the scientific community.

Since when does growing up equate ignoring reality? I know its a game but it was always true to race until now. im just surprised of seeing it change in this way.

Yeah and next year they'll have some new surprise info about humans that will directly contradict their previous assumptions. Never push narratives based off of other people's assumptions. Could they be right? Sure. Are they likely to be wrong? Definitely

What reality, that some humans are darker than others? Nobody is ignoring that, just saying who cares, it doesn't change anything. And that is the mature and grownup position, because who really cares? Does it make a difference in how you'll play the game? Does it make a difference how NPCs react to the PC? Does it make a difference other than the player saying, "This is how I want my character to look this play-through."? No, because it doesn't really matter.

The fact of the matter is that this has been the belief for many years and nobody has been able to even remotely disprove this. They simply trace the skeletal remains and cultural similarities and follow them backward.

Everything is good. Just play around with the character until you get what you want.

I ask again, how is the game not allowing you to customize the character to any race?

Are better at running(blacks), have a harder time gaining muscles(asians), have a larger brain(asians)etc.etc. I know These traits were never implemented in the game but are still reality. But in the game now we cant have anything defining the character apart of a skin Color, which is stupid.

You're reading way too much into it. I don't think political or social reasoning had anything to do with the change. It's done for technical reasons. Obviously, as seen in the presentation, you can create different races. I think it was just a matter of reducing UI clutter and making it easier to make the character you want with more options.

There is no catergory of race to put your character in, thats the matter. the whole Topic of race is non distinguishable in Fallout 4 because of this.

And here it is, the post that will get this closed. I said this thread could go no where good in the long run, and this post shows that.

By non distinguishable, you mean you cannot tell the difference in the races of NPCs?

I think the mods can deal with scientific reality. No point in closing anything that has been proven beyond any doubt.

The scientific reality is that there is no white race, black race, brown race, yellow race, etc. Just the Human Race. Period.

I don't know the minute man guy looked pretty black to me. And not in the goofy white person with black skin way you described either. Matter of fact all the racial faces in character creation looked absolutely fine to me.

Finally someone with sense. You win the internet today.

Any policeman who searches for a criminal will use scientific tools to determine the race of the criminal from a simple blood drop and he will do this with 99.99% accuracy. But why label him a certain race thats just discriminatory and will not make the search alot easier right?

No, but cosnidering it is removed altogether leads me to thinking there are no races at all.

There is no difference in the Fallout world regarding skin colour, most racism seems to be leveled at the different 'races', ghoul and super mutant.....your player's skin colour in no way effects the gameplay and is only remarked upon in one instance in Fallout 3 to describe the person that the hit has been put out on. The only apparent difference between Fallout 3 and 4 appears to be that the different faces are simply called preset faces, rather than a racial description.

I'm really not seeing what the complaint is here, that they are not labeling the faces to state what 'race' they belong to?

Races selection is obviously in the creator. However, will the game react to your race? No and why would I think otherwise with Bethesda. Aside form a few short one liners, they do not incorporate racial influence.

Should they? Absolutely. I feel that every quest should not be completed by every character. Quests and dialog should be exclusive as well as diverse. The fact that some quests are even available should revolve around race, inventory and previous actions.

That is not the case with these games... sadly.