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Tiber Septim was actually a goblin, born in the slave pens of Alinor.

I think I may be missing something, why would Bethesda retcon Talos' race(s)?

Remember the time that Talos was a half Yokudan half Maomer?

Why would they change Cyrodiil from a jungle to England? Because they think no one will notice? Because they feel like it? Because a Ouija board told them to? Because they do not read any of their own lore? Bethesda is not very good at keeping its lore straight.

Oh, I see. A lot of people like to make a big deal out of that. I can understand why you'd prefer a jungle but...yeah.

To me this kind of feels like saying "My partner told me that was their natural hair colour, they've probably cheated on me."

He was a lost boy, a Goron, a Zora, and a Deku scrub, and a giant, a fierce deity, and a Gibdo-Man, and Mister No Fairy.

Tiber Septim is firmly engraved in the fanbase as a man, usually a Nord or Imperial. Bretons, sometimes, for those who read the Heresy.

Cyrodiil could be retconned due to how obscure the lore about it was. Septim? Not so much.

No, he was a lonely Skull Kid.

No, you fool,

HE WAS A PONY

E PO NA

In their tongue he is "Epona" - Ponyboy!

A white one.

Actually I am happy with it being merry old england. But if they wanted it that way, they should have told us that straight up. When they go back and change their lore not only between every game, and cannot even keep it straight in the same game, then it does not give us any reason to take any of it seriously. Why should we, when they do not take it seriously?

Thanks. In fact, I do always prefer non-localized versions of all games. But Skyrim is an exception. I have (for the needs of lore-researches and articles) to know how things of all sort was localized in russian version of Skyrim, 'cause I always can find all original texts and names at TIL and UESP.
So I'd like to install non-localized Skyrim, but there are some reasons to not doing so. Anyway, thanks for advice, some day I'll try it


Aah. Old sweet times.
And the time when he was a crown? Or was it a sword? Or a battleship? Or a big stompy robot? My memory is sooo bad.

FROM THE MOTHOIRS OF HYACINTHO QUIETUS, LEGION VELOCIPRAETOR

"...T'was a grand old time. Even though it was the old codger's 102 birthday, he could still tip-back that brandy like a fresh C'lovian spear-hefter...[fragment soiled by a dark, hopy ale, with hints of anise and clove]...down two treasuries worth o' hooch and second-ap. [censored] every Imperially licensed [censored]-jockette in every Dibelliac [censored]-stable in Cyr'dcity, Hs'majsesty yelled hisself into a Mara[censored]ing Battlespire and everbody in the ol' retinue climb-to-barque and we set off to make glorious sixy war on the Dominions of ol' Red-Ass, San Guine..."

Thanks. Wonderful days, I admit.
But I wonder, which of the Tibers he was? That Cyrodiil who now illustrated on one side of a drake coin? Or that elusive Bretonic thug who killed the Emperor Zero? Or that promiscuous Khajiit who left after him so many children that they could make up a legion? No one of them could live for 107 years and rule for 81 years.

Tiber Septim was all-Emperor 81 times, in 433 splendid aspects.

Now Zelda is the place to go for wholly original fantasy races.

Since when did attempting to improve, even when they fail, mean they don't take it seriously? Sure, I was miffed (retroactively, I didn't mind at first) that Cyrodiil was a temperate forest instead of a tropical jungle, but they did that in an attempt to improve it. Sure, it didn't work, but they tried.

And sure, they changed the lore between Daggerfall and Morrowind. Instead of an unrelieved waste peopled by tribal slavers, it was an area of green volcanic fertility around an ashland with two distinct cultured being invaided by a third. Does that change mean we should write it off?

Or in Skyrim, well I didn't see any major lore changes. Skyrim's culture likes to see a man-god as a native son due to humanist (not that sort) pride. A, doesn't mean they're right and B, doesn't say that the people who said he was Imperial or Breton are wrong. Lore is lore, not facts. We get the lore from characters, which is why the jungle was jarring and small changes are not. Who could mistake a jungle? Not many. Who could mistake one human race from another? Most anybody, 'specially nonhumans.

Now for the last bit. If you don't think it's justifiable to take TES lore seriously, then why are you here? I can't be havin' with wasting time. If it at'ent fun for you, then go find something else. There's a load of other good series on this very forum to immerse yourself in and thousands of great works on the internet as a whole. A hundred years is an eyeblink and you have no time to try and convince us not to play with ourselves here.

All the major lore-changes in Skyrim even have in-game responses, rather than being covered up (IIRC, the only new texts that call Cyrodiil a jungle in Oblivion are written by MK). There are even a few new ones that call Alduin Akatosh, like the Khajiit Red Mountain story, and there are at least two that have Nords rejecting the idea.

Their traditional pantheon being mostly replaced by the Nine Divines is also treated as a historical change since their old pantheon appears to be the animal gods.

He's a Nede. If you go by one definition, he is from Atmora and thus a Nede. If you go by the "native to tamriel" definition, then he is an imperial/nord/breton, and crossing those together would biologically result in a nede-like being, similar to how if you just let fancy pigeons breed indiscriminately their descendants look like normal pigeons.

He was a dragon.

He was a Mazken.

Even more! He was a Man.

GUYS. Guys.

Seriously; He was obviously an Imga/Kothringi love-child.

He was latino