I am very disappoint in Bethesda. I have not seen many blacks, (Simms, and his kid and a kid in little lamp light (same model), and I think I have seen one BoS black man) or mexicans. I suppose you might be able to try to pass Carlos in front of rivet city off at Mexican, even though he is really white.

So, create your own black or Hispanic as the lone wanderer. I usually do. But before anything else, you might want to check out NPC races in the GECK.

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You have simply seen wrong or haven't played the game long enough. What I see in Geck every race has nearly the same number of NPCs in the different factions.

To name a few other then the ones mentioned: Cindy in rivet city sells medical supplies, Bannon is on the city council of Rivet city which is the greatest city in game and he has most of the power it seems, Several unamed NPCs are black, like the one in megaton always giving me stuff for being such a good guy. The guy who keeps the water treatment plant running in megaton, without him they would all probably die. I have seen more than a few BoS members, at least 2 or 3 named ones. A few rivet city security guards are including one with the same voice as Flak. Many raiders are black, some Talon company mercs, some of the BoS outcasts are black, Victoria Watts of the android abolitionists group (don't remember the name lol) is black, Lucky Harith the travelling arms merchant is black, and of course everyones favorite DJ fighting the good fight THREE DOG!!!!

And I haven't even explored most of the map. The only cities I have found are megaton, rivet city, and underworld and here and there in the DC ruins mostly underground.

So there are quite a few of them, and at least a couple in positions of power. Come to think of it, the only human towns I have found have black people as the biggest governing figure. Lucas Simms in megaton, and Bannon in Rivet city. So that is just something to think about.

And I am not sure but there may be more white people than black, which may seem racist to you, but it is actually more realistic in terms of the demographic of our country to tell the truth.

And as far as mexicans go, seeing as this game is based in a reality were culture stayed in the 50's style up until the bombs fell they probably didn't have all the mexican immigrants that we have here as after the 1950's the fallout universe is greatly different than ours. Who knows, maybe Mexico is a thriving High tech society now and is going to purge the united states of the filthy "wastelanders" and take it over lol. So maybe they were too happy in their country to come here? I am just being silly and hypothetical and I apologize if anyone is offended by my statements. I myself care more about a person's character than their race.

Let's not forget that Bethesda did a poor job at portraying the "hispanic" race; half the time I can't tell if they're hispanic or white, the two are so similar that they're basically the same.

So, to me, we really only have Blacks, Whites, and Asians in-game.

But let's not forget the Ghouls as well- I'm pretty sure a few of them were black... once... Can't really tell becuase they have so little skin, however...

as well as they all have the same voice across each gender. The feral ones however remind me of Gollum from lord of the rings being so bony, scampering around, and they even sound like him lol.

Don't forget Eulogy and Grouse from Paradise Falls.

No. Bethesda is not racist. Any lack of other races in Fallout 3, Morrowind or Oblivion is simply a fact, not an act against the races. Like others have said, you are for the most part wrong, but if you were not? A town in southern Ohio is going to predominantly White, so are they racist? Nope, its the culture of the region.

(Although, living between Baltimore and Washington - the same area the game portrays, I can tell you that in real life i'm a white minority in many of the towns around me, so the game may even be backwards.. however, in real life Point Lookout isn't an inbred swamp, either. Bethesda is a game designer and Fallout 3 is a game, not a political statement)

I've actually noticed that there's next to no racism in Fallout. No one gets called any racist nicknames. And there are evil white characters, evil black ones, good white ones, good black ones. I think there's only one really evil female, though, most of the serious scumbags are guys.

A few Hispanic characters: Diego in Rivet City, Carlos the water begger, and Lucy in Little Lamplight.

QFT

There is absolutely no racism in-game, which is something big. Inter-racial marriages and relationships are as common as same-race ones, look at Angela and Diego, Cindy and her deadbeat husband (I forgot his name, but I know he's caucasian), and several other couples. No one cares about skin color anymore, its about who you are on the inside, if you're evil, you become a slaver or raider, regardless of skin, if you're good, become a regulator or join BoS, wether you're black, white, asian, or hispanic. I think it's so beautiful, how racism has ended, it's just a shame we had to go through a nuclear holocaust to end it. :sadvaultboy:

(Wow, that was so deep, Assassin. So deep.)

You are forgetting Ghouls. Their former skin color is no longer relevant as they have become classed as their own, and normal humans hate them all the same, for the most part. What they did was throw the racism to another group that no one can identify with, that way it doesn't seem as bad. It is actually a brilliant psychological trick. Take away any relation with something and it no longer seems like as big a deal.

But Ghouls aren't exactly a race per-se.

Definition of race:

People don't turn into Ghouls because they have the same culture, language, social practice or heritable characteristics, they become Ghouls as a result of a degenerative disease caused by exposure to radiation. What happens to them is indeed discrimination, but not racial-discrimination, and thus it cannot be called racism. Ghouls may have formed a culture of their own over the years, and may have developed their own customs due to their similar condition, but those customs weren't inherently there to begin with.

However, there is a flip-side to this argument. Another part of the definition of race is:

We know that not everyone becomes a Ghoul after radiation, some may simply die. The ones who live, and turn into Ghouls must have some common factor in their DNA to allow them to be like this. There must be something in common between all Ghouls, and it must be biological. (Possibly genetic, but we don't have enough info. to know for sure). So it may very well be considered a race.

A continuation of the definition states that:

This both helps your argument, and mine. We know that Dr. Barrows in Underworld is working on a medicine to cure Ghouls of their disease, which could qualify them as a separate race as that medicine has been tailored for them, but then again, we don't say all cancer patients are from the same race, do we? Furthermore, Stimpacks, and other Chems, which are drugs, and in a sense, medicines, work on Ghouls (although we know Jet doesn't work to the same degree as humans) meaning human races and Ghouls are of the same biological structure. (Which we already know, anyway). Their resistance to Jet is also conceivable to be because their senses are somewhat hampered by their condition.

Ghouls do appear to be the victims of general abuse in the wasteland and I would agree that this is where the game shows racism (or discrimination if you like) to help protray the divide between the smoothskins and ghouls. But the most noticeable racists of them all are the enclave, although wanting to wipe out all living things goes beyond racist definitions really.......

Yes. My old main character, Cynna, was Hispanic, but you'd never have known unless I mentioned it. Maybe it was just the editing I did on her face tone, as originally it was uneven and blotchy and the only way to make it look alright was to lighten it considerably.
But, some Talon Mercs and Regulators I've seen ingame have been noticeably other races.

I can't believe this thread exists. It's a GAME. But while we're on the subject, Bethesda is actually one of the few that actually included blacks in a fantasy game (Elder Scrolls Redguards). Last time I checked WoW doesn't have any blacks...

Urgh... I hate these stupid debates... at no point in real life will there be a total equal split between skin colours in one place, so why should there be in a game? I do agree that there are SLIGHTLY more Caucasians but who cares? It doesn't automatically mean Bethesda's favourite skin is white, nor does it mean any other colour is 'inferior'.

The only race related thing I noticed was that there don't seem to be many Hispanic NPCs. But my TV isn't amazing, so the weird light quality in some areas makes people look washed out, so I could be wrong.

That's it.

Thats genocide, not racism.

That's Eden, not Enclave. Anyway, wiping out everyone on the Wasteland is actually quiet the opposite of racism, they're wiping out everyone equally.

I don't think many people actually understand what racism even is. Discrimination is the word most are looking for. There is absolutely no racism in Fallout.




Are you kidding? There are tons of blacks in WoW..




It's actually pretty evenly cut between all the races to begin with. But yea, even if there are more, it's not like Bethesda went and thought "Oh, I hate that race so I won't make that many of their NPC's in my games!" If they were racist, they'd either not put that certain race in at all, or have the ones in the game be really bad/stupid/weak or whatever. (Like they do with Wood Elves in TES, although its acceptable there since it's a fictional race).

You never know, maybe Fallout 4 will be set in Africa, then we can complain about there not being many white people.

Not if it's set in South Africa. :wink_smile:

But yeah, I get the point. Although I doubt Fallout will ever be set somewhere outside the US. Maybe there will be a DLC taking us to Canada or Mexico, but I doubt any further. Maybe England is intact, as Tenpenny came from there. Perhaps China is in similar condition as the US, probably better.

You're not referring to the actual players are you? I'm talking about the character skins. I know you can create a human toon and set his skin to be very dark but they still don't really look African American. Anyway, you get the idea. It's not something you usually see in fantasy games but Bethesda actually included them. They are most certainly not racist.

Well, yea, I was referring to in-game characters. There are plenty of Humans, and Dwarves which have a black skin tone. Sure, they don't look African, but thats because their not in Africa, their in Azeroth, and that's how the native black people look. :shrug:

Racism? Fallout 3 is probably one of the least racist games I have ever seen. You have plenty of black characters such as Jonas, Paul, Lucas Simms, Eulogy Jones, Grouse, Victoria Watts, Bannon, that Megaton lady, etc. Not only that, but they're treated rather equally to the white NPCs and aren't potrayed as lower or higher.

The only thing I'd consider slightly racist is referring to them all as "African Americans", because like my Jamaican teacher says not every black person is American and some who are from countries like Jamaica or even Europe don't like to be labeled as African American just because they're black.

Its a game. Plenty of people in this game are black. Most of them are wearing power armor so you can't see their faces. Bethesda is not racist.

QUOTE: Perhaps China is in similar condition as the US, probably better.

Given the sheer number of Chinese ghouls over on our side, I'd bet that the Chinese had an inherent gene in them that made them more likely to turn into ghouls rather than die. So maybe there're millions of ghouls over in China.