That's a fair point.


I still however, strongly dislike your attempt to associate the desire for Racism in Skyrim with some form of defect of character. And it's obvious you're doing it.

This is true, assuming that we have a problem because we want racism in game.

OP here.

I didn't just mean dunmer specifically. I meant all races, dunmer just came to mind first and I was in a hurry to post. But yeah, there's even racial profiling in today's society... and we're all human. I don't think it would be too far-fetched or even hard to implement a system like this. And given the circumstances, skyrim is being invaded all at once by multiple races - dunmer, orcs and imperials. The influx of immigrants and the state of the civil war clearly would add to a xenophobic attitude that MOST guards would share.

*Edit: Imperial guards (in the imperial controlled skyrim) would only really be racist to Nords, but Nordic guards would have prejudices against imperials, dunmer and orcs due to the massive influx of these races.

I don't think so. I don't care to play as a racist in games, but being a victim of racism in a game would present a unique challenge. Especially when it comes to guards. Would be awesome if you come into a town and guard says "STOP RIGHT THERE" and then acts as if he pulled a stolen necklace from your pockets to frame you and throw you in jail as a welcoming card to coming into your town. Maybe even make it a quest where you have to enlist the help of other guards to reveal the corruption.

"We're watching you. Scum."

o.O not really...

TES has always had racism, slavery, sixual innuendo, and a bit of necrophilia. Not to mention violence. A few guards being racist would be fairly timid.

Well it would make the world more realistic and interesting. Besides think of it this way you may get the opportunity to put a racist scumbag guard in their place.

I like alot of Ai tension, Like that quest on TESIV where there is like a village fighting.

Lol. The cycle of hatred.

Anyway racists guards won't be a problem for me. I'm joining the Legion, and by the Eight you know I'm gonna end up outranking every guard/soldier(except the general of course).

a nord touches me i swear i'll rip his head off.

I'm pretty sure the Nords have been at war with the Dunmer since the first era. And recently there was a violent conflict between the Redoran and the Nords, so I won't be surprised if my Dunmer character will treated badly by the Nords at first - Until I earn their respect as the hero of Skyrim.

Also, whilst playing the demo at eurogamer as a Dunmer, during combat, Nords would shout "Skyrim belongs to the Nords!" When I played Khajiit the second time I didn't get these racist comments.

I think that could be a really cool feature, but it could be really overly complicated if you break it down. It's got to be weighed against other factors like has been mentioned. And also, the impact of racism shouldn't be overpowering. Like, I think if the guard really really likes you, and is racist against the person you just murdered, and no other guards are around, then MAYBE you'll get away with it. But, if you for example, punched an argonian and then yielded, that could be easily forgivable... Then on the other hand, even if he's racist against the victim, if he dislikes you, you shouldn't get away with it. And then there's the whole other side, what if they're racist against you.

i thought the nords were hostile against the altimer not the dunmer?

I'm all for the idea. I remember in NWN2 I rolled a drow every time solely for the negative/fearful reactions I'd get from people. Fear, distrust and ignorance make for a more varied and believable world.

I think very simply it's this: If you're saying "I want racism in the game!" because you want to be able to play "in character" to be genocidal to darker skinned beings, then perhaps you've got some issues you need to examine more closely in your personal life.

If you simply want a certain percentage of NPC's to have general disdain for certain races because it makes the world more believable to you, I don't see the problem.

There's always been an element of quasi-racism in the games. People of your own race tend to like you more.

There's always been an element of classism in the games. People of your guild have always liked you more.

Cranking the racism up to a bit more overt of a level, due to Nords feeling that they're losing their country/national identity to invaders of non Nord ancestry makes sense to me. Admittedly, I don't know that it would be an enjoyable ride if as the PC, I'm the victim of constant racial harassment across the whole of Skyrim, let alone from people that want me to do them favors.

But I think racial tension is something that should continue to exist in the world either way.

I also don't fault players who want to perhaps explore storytelling and roleplay a racist character from any of the 10 types. Racism in game allows potentially a story of moral redemption to be told, whether as the racist Argonian who bonds with a Dunmer companion/NPC and learns to stop hating, or as the nation of Skyrim has to come to grips with the fact that they've just been saved from certain doom by a Bosmer.

Obviously, there's a right way and a wrong way to handle racism in the game, but I think gamesas knows exactly where the line should be drawn.

Guards should be professional, but they are also only Human. I hope they do have it, at least a little.

Would be sweet if some are. Brings a little more depth into the game and also punctualizes the relationships between races in game.

Then again there'd probably be some people who would cry about this relating to real life racism, sadly. Why can people never tell the difference?

if so...then who hates Redguards? I just want a heads up

Wanting racism in Skyrim isn't unsettling at all. It's keeping the game in line with the lore that supports it. People aren't asking for racism as something way out in left field just because they want to persue their own racial tendencies. Racial conflict is a huge factor in TES lore. There's nothing wrong with wanting the game to reflect that.

If ANY NPC is racist towards Argonians...

What are you gonna do about it, scalie?