dude if the problem had a head then you just nailed it

I agree, all this hand holding, six-phobia, freaking out like we are in the frigging middle ages makes me sick.

People in the Middle ages weren't this conservative (quite the opposite). The level of prudishness we know today developed much later.

six, like gore, is something I don't necessarily oppose having a presence in the game. But, like with gore, I do not think it needs to be included solely for the sake of including it. "It's more realistic" is a very flimsy excuse in my mind, mostly due to the fact that the same "realism" bringing nudity mods for Oblivion and Morrowind are anything BUT realistic. You want realistic nudity? Well true realism would not be the glamor model bodies too often depicted. Going by realism, the people of Skyrim will have lived tough lives in a tough region. And, realistically, they'd look as much. Very few of them would be something to look at, let alone someone with which to engage in nocturnal reproductive activities.

As for six itself, again, I don't mind it, but it shouldn't be a major feature. Going by the realism argument is, again, flimsy in my mind. It's not like every women/man in the region is going to willingly sleep with a random adventurer. And even if you become an almighty hero, and everyone from the sea to Cyrodil is trying to seduce you, (realistically) there should be moral implications alongside that. Sure, some people are just in it for the pleasure. But most people tend to associate the activity with some level of emotional attachment. If they make it so you can nestle down with a special NPC of your choice, then great. You shouldn't be able to act like a rabbit without consequences though. Otherwise the veiled excuse for "realism" is proven to be nothing more than an excuse to include advlt content for other reasons, as seen in the 20 mil mods that feature disproportionate women wearing completely impractical clothing.

So in other words, if you want to include six under the reasoning of realism, then that's fine. But it should be presented as such, with all the good and bad included. It should not be included, like gore, solely for the sake of personal indulgence. At least not if you want to legitimately use the argument of realism.

Good points, all. But I reckon most claims for realism made here are just that. Let me give examples : that horrible guy, in Mournhold, potential suitor in the matchmaking quest, calls me a "tasty little morsel" or something. Never got around beating the crap out of him, but it was certainly on my mind. As horripilating as he was, well, that's life. It's part of human interactions. Remove any reference altogether, as if gender never ever came into account in interactions, that just makes the world blander.

Other thing, as stupid as it sounds : so I'm in Solstheim, and I encounter raving Berserkers. So what's the deal ? I'm really really mad so I prowl around without clothes in snow looking for someone to dismember, but oh wait, I keep my underwear on cause I promised me mum ? Just plain weird... Same with Shivering Isles. Packed full of raving loonies pawns to a mad god with a very twisted sense of humour, but somehow some form of desinhibition never enters into the equation ? And so on, and so on.

It should be there. It should have no effect on the player. You should be able to see people kissing if they are in love or at a tavern. You should be able to walk into a strip bar where there are women wearing bikinis. There shouldn't be any nudity. And there shouldn't be any six scenes. They don't feel right in a game. Unless you can have a fully fleshed out relationship with another individual in Skyrim then no six scenes.

Children are a must. I would love to see an Argonian hatchling playing with a Khajiit kitten, completely oblivious of the racial differences. That would add depth. They should not be constantly chasing each other though. Like that black kid chasing Stacey in Freeside.

EDIT: You guys have to stop talking about child killing right now if you don't want to get warned or banned from a mod. Child killing can not be discussed on these forums.

Bars. Why the hell aren't there overcrowded bars of soldiers (or of workers, bars tend to specialize) quaffing, bragging and laughing loudly - stopping for a second when the weird stranger (you) comes in and starting again ? Could be a great way to gather info, with different strategies according to gender, race, occupation.

In Oblivion, they were shooting for a T rating, likewise for Morrowind. Difference is, Morrowind got to keep it's T rating, while Oblivion was bumped up to M for booby textures that were not used, and an ability to edit the INI for more blood and gore. They always seemed to shoot for T to expand the user base. Fewer parents hesitant to buy Johnny a TES game, because it shares the same rating as GTA4.

Daggerfall came out in a time before ESRB ratings were a requirement to be on store shelves. Rather than worrying about potential sales-hindering ratings, they just made the game they wanted to make. I think with Fallout 3, as they were shooting for an M rating, they were a lot closer to making the game they wanted to make than they ever were with Morrowind or Oblivion. (F**kin' Ants. Dismemberment.)

With Skyrim, if they decide this game is to have an M rating, I think we can expect a lot less prudeness than in previous games.

Thoon I'm going to have to disagree with your first point, the opposite is unfortunately and quite blatently true. Anyway I agree wholeheartedly with the OP, anything else is needless catering to a rating that most people don't give a damn about anyway.

It doesn't matter to me as thats not the reason why somebody should buy Skyrim. If its in the game thats fine if its not I'm not crying over spilled milk.

I'm sorry to veer off topic, but this, a thousand times. The "gunslinger walks into the saloon" effect (only lacking the piano, presumably). And you can't create that kind of atmosphere without, well, all the rest.

Speaking of which, doesn't the announcement trailer have an 18 rating? Is it confirmed for the game itself?

Never made any sense to me.
[Ist century AD] - Hey, Seneca, what do I hear about this play Thyestes you're setting up? It's about a guy who kills his nephews and feeds them to his brother ! Children might end up seeing it by accident !
- Oh, okay, if it's to protect a few children of parents incapable of deciding and enforcing what they should or shouldn't see... I'll make it about beekeeping, then.

I don't really want anything sixual in TES...
I think those people that want it so bad should go and seek it in other places, for example the Internet or real life. In my opinion, six shouldn't be in TES.

same :thumbsup:

In that off chance he'll see a child roaming the outer gates near dark and a prowling wolf is near. He wants that child to be mauled and hurt because if he just kept running with no sign of damage it will break immersion for him.

As long as they keep the six/and what not tasteful (or just funny) and not over do it, like many have said, it should be fine.
But it won't because some people svck and want everyone to share their values.(jerks)


PS: I thought this thread was about weapon display racks and such when I saw the title.

Hopefully all this American (I'm one of them too) sixual repression doesn't get in the way of body alterations in the character creator, including briast size. I want a girl with some itty bitty [censored].

if nudity isnt added, im pretty much positive that a mod would fix that, so it doesnt really bother me.
plus, no matter what rating they put on the game, ill ask my parents to buy it for me. they have quite a sound concept of "its only a game"

if nudity isnt added, im pretty much positive that a mod would fix that, so it doesnt really bother me.
plus, no matter what rating they put on the game, ill ask my parents to buy it for me. they have quite a sound concept of "its only a game"

Which point do you mean as the first? The one about the Middle Ages?

the mod will go over the top

You're saying that like it's a bad thing. :hubbahubba:

Where mods are concerned, there is no top to go over. You might say the modding possibilities are...

*Puts on sunglasses.*

Topless.

YEEAAAAHHHHHH

(Never in my life have I ever used that meme. I don't know how I feel now.)

ahahahaha!!!

I'd actually prefer if that stuff wasnt in the game as I actually want to be allowed to play the bloody thing. <_<

But I mean look at the Fable series. (Which actually was released here) Although the game generally is juvenile in places, the whole prostitution+six thing wasnt really over the top. It was there, but it wasnt there to make the game a "six simulator". If Skyrim is to feature six I'd rather it kept to a lower degree than Fable, so that the game will actually have a chance at getting through out godforsaken system while also avoiding giving the game a reputation as a six game.

:rofl: That meme makes some awesome puns :lmao:

As for the topic, those days are long one. Like i recently said, you don't even get to see bare monster boobs in Final Fantasy anymore (like that painting boss in FF6 :hubbahubba:).

Edit: huh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKAVcValll0&feature=related :shrug: But it's still a naked woman covered only by mist

Yah no six pls... adding six is a last ditch effort in trying to make a poor product seem more appealing when it lacks substance.

Shades, you Beth Veteran brother I agree with you once again.

And can't we have the children as question such as:

"Dad, what's a rack?"

I'm our world he would reply with, "It's a country, don't read that."

I'd like to see how they'd reply in nirn, a place to put you weapon on...