Is rain in Fallout canon?

Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:21 pm

I've never played Fallout 1 or 2 in very much depth, so I don't know if it rained in those games. But I'm just curious, do you think rain in Fallout is canon?
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RAww DInsaww
 
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:44 pm

I know in fallout 1 rain is mentioned as existing, though it's probably acid rain
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:05 pm

Rain has been talked about in past fallout games in F1 as mentioned already. In fallout 2 there are crops and farms with orchards so they have to get their water from somewhere. It is also talked about in some of the endings of Fallout tactics. Yes it does Rain in the wasteland but have not seen it.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:17 pm

Yes there are NPCs that mention that it is raining in the Boneyard (Los Angeles) in Fallout 1.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:13 pm

Can I nominate this thread for the "Most Bizarre lore question asked ever" award?
Whilst the nuclear war may have effected weather patterns, it can't fundementally change the basic laws of physics and chemstry (however much they may be strethed at times). I'm sure there is still rain, storms, tropical cyclones/hurricanes, and maybe even the odd spot of snow.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:26 pm

Can I nominate this thread for the "Most Bizarre lore question asked ever" award?
Whilst the nuclear war may have effected weather patterns, it can't fundementally change the basic laws of physics and chemstry (however much they may be strethed at times). I'm sure there is still rain, storms, tropical cyclones/hurricanes, and maybe even the odd spot of snow.


But as it has never been seen in a single fallout game, it is a valid question I guess.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:13 pm

A more valid question would be, won't concurrent globewide occurrences of massive nuclear explosions flash all the oxygen out of the atmosphere and tear apart the Ozone layer?
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:25 am

A more valid question would be, won't concurrent globewide occurrences of massive nuclear explosions flash all the oxygen out of the atmosphere and tear apart the Ozone layer?


Apparently Fallout lore says no.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:38 am

There was a "black rain" approximately a week or so after the nuking stopped. It was a combination of rain, ash, and fallout particles. Needless to say, it was highly detrimental to many ecosystems.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:22 pm

A more valid question would be, won't concurrent globewide occurrences of massive nuclear explosions flash all the oxygen out of the atmosphere and tear apart the Ozone layer?

think SCIENCE! not science. but according to fanon, the same pagan cult that stopped hitler's invasion of britain was the same cult that reinforce both the ozone layer of earth and force field around london during the great war, so yeah...
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:15 pm

But as it has never been seen in a single fallout game, it is a valid question I guess.

In past Fallout games the graphics and software were not good enough to have rain or any other weather. It was not that important to have it shown but it was talked about in all the games in one way or another. In F3 they could have had rain, maybe you should post having rain and other weather for things you want to see in future fallouts. (New Vegas and Fallout 4)
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:28 pm

well is grass canon? stones?
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:16 pm

In fallout 2 there are crops and farms with orchards so they have to get their water from somewhere.


Er...ever heard of irrigation?
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:12 pm

Er...ever heard of irrigation?

what is that? is that something that happened to your skin or something? :confused:

Oh wait, that's irritation :P

btw, Styles know about Irrigation he just said that they have to get their water from rain or something else if they want to have an irrigation system on the farm (what the use of irrigation when there is no water whatsoever?)
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:31 pm

But as it has never been seen in a single fallout game, it is a valid question I guess.

I meant no disrespect, but it just seems an odd thing to debate.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:46 pm

I meant no disrespect, but it just seems an odd thing to debate.


We've already debated so much else. :)

Actually this is a very Very good thing to debate, because Rain and the weather effects it brings are Fantastic for the game environments. The modding community has multiple Good weather mods adding Rain back into the game because its just so damn cool. So the realism argument would clearly be on the side of, "Yes there would be rain as long as there are Oceans" - no nuclear war would stop that unless the oceans were evaporated Or the planet was pushed out of orbit towards Mars...

But the argument is over Rain being Canon in Fallout 3. I think for the most part the game makers leave it out, but there are a few places in the games that leave it open to question and interpretation. I think its Canon, if Barely.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:49 pm

We've already debated so much else. :)

Actually this is a very Very good thing to debate, because Rain and the weather effects it brings are Fantastic for the game environments. The modding community has multiple Good weather mods adding Rain back into the game because its just so damn cool. So the realism argument would clearly be on the side of, "Yes there would be rain as long as there are Oceans" - no nuclear war would stop that unless the oceans were evaporated Or the planet was pushed out of orbit towards Mars...

But the argument is over Rain being Canon in Fallout 3. I think for the most part the game makers leave it out, but there are a few places in the games that leave it open to question and interpretation. I think its Canon, if Barely.
Which completely destroyed the dry air theory which stated that the dry air with no rain that surrounds capitol wasteland preserves many of those scorched wooden ruins and this theory is the only "logical" answer to the "200 years and scorched houses still standing? ridiculous!" question... :)
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:17 pm

Which completely destroyed the dry air theory which stated that the dry air with no rain that surrounds capitol wasteland preserves many of those scorched wooden ruins and this theory is the only "logical" answer to the "200 years and scorched houses still standing? ridiculous!" question... :)
The wood was petrified.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:41 pm

Which completely destroyed the dry air theory which stated that the dry air with no rain that surrounds capitol wasteland preserves many of those scorched wooden ruins and this theory is the only "logical" answer to the "200 years and scorched houses still standing? ridiculous!" question... :)


Yes actually it would destroy that theory.

Bottom line is that Human beings posses no capability of stopping the rain, even if ALL the bombs fell. The laws of physics still apply, water still evaporates and goes up, forming clouds. Clouds move around from the wind, and drop rain. The wind comes from the global climate cycle, which isn't going to change no matter what happens or what we do unless the planet freezes into a Snowball Earth or spirals into the Sun (which might be interesting actually). So yes, from a science-based perspective, there would be no stopping the rain. And with that, no stopping the re-greening of the world. From my view, the actual DC Wasteland 200+ years after the war would not only be green, but filled with trees, new growth and the inevitable re-claiming of the land from us by nature. However, if they simply changed the dates around so that Fo3 takes place say 10-20 years after the war, then the wasteland does resemble what a scorched landscape would look like - but there would still be rain.

That said, having a Green world filled with trees and rain wouldn't create as much the feeling of immersion that one gets when walking through a true Wasteland, and I give massive credit to Bethesda for keeping the game's goals and themes primary over realism (and realism can ruin a game if applied too thickly). Still I think it would have been Dynamite to have radioactive rain - rain that forces players in-doors or burns their Rad-X/RadAway supplies - that would have been cool. As it is, I love the game's immersion and atmosphere - I just added Rain/Weather/Greenery via the Mods and get exactly what I envision it might be like.

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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:16 am

You dont need rain in a game if you have sixy sleepwear
Use your brain next time.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:56 pm

You dont need rain in a game if you have sixy sleepwear
Use your brain next time.


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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:36 pm

Lore says yes. I heard some guy in Fallout 2 talk about a dry period at the time, so that's why we don't see any rain in the game (and beacause of the limits at the time the game was made).
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:25 am

Arroyo "In 2241, the worst dry season in many years causes a drought in the Northern California area, hurting crops and Brahmin in Arroyo." "A drought is a long period of time during which no rain falls" that means at some point there was rain, case closed. The drought was the whole reason why the lone wanderer set out in fallout 2. Rain is talked about in fallout tactics. we don't see rain because of the game space and graphics of the games. Fallout 3 there are puddles all over filled with water. My guess it is Rain water. The makes of fallout 3 had other things to worry about then adding rain.
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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:42 am

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Post » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:37 pm

Arroyo "In 2241, the worst dry season in many years causes a drought in the Northern California area, hurting crops and Brahmin in Arroyo." "A drought is a long period of time during which no rain falls" that means at some point there was rain, case closed. The drought was the whole reason why the lone wanderer set out in fallout 2. Rain is talked about in fallout tactics. we don't see rain because of the game space and graphics of the games. Fallout 3 there are puddles all over filled with water. My guess it is Rain water. The makes of fallout 3 had other things to worry about then adding rain.

There was rain in Oblivion. Why wasn't in Fallout 3? The games use the same engine.
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