Random Attack : IV

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:05 pm

I have no idea if this is a conflict or if it's how a mod is supposed to be but basically I went to the Imperial City was went towards the palace area passed a few guards and all was good the then I started getting attacked by the guards with the name ''Palatain xxxx'' I think their from a mod but I don't remember what one, anyway I thought it was because I was infected with Vampirism at the time so I reloaded and used a cure to see if that was the reason and went back and the same thing happened, I then checked my infamy and that was at 200+ so I thought that was it so used console to clear it and see if that was it but no they still attacked me.
After they start pounding me the other guards join in but their fine until these ones with ''Palatain'' before their name start, as I said I have no idea what the reason might be it just seemed a bit too on the random side plus one of them who's an Argonian constantly uses some invisibility which makes it seem more like it's something that shouldn't be.

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I also decided to swop out my MD saddlebags mod for the horse commands mod but have something wrong with that as well, when I try to access the saddlebag the inventory windows opens but it's frozen and the mouse won't move until I close it using the shift key, what's the problem with that one to please?

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:22 pm

Use FormID Finder or RefScope to check which mod they're from.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:09 am

When I had Ren's guard overhaul I got attacked around 70% of the time when going near the palace.

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:57 pm

Use FormID Finder or RefScope to check which mod they're from.

I used FormID Finder (forgot I had that) and checked a few of them and it says some are from OOO.esm and some from Oblivion.esm but their all scripted from OOO.esm, I also disabled RGO just incase and that had no effect.

When I had Ren's guard overhaul I got attacked around 70% of the time when going near the palace.

You make it sound like you've put that mod to rest and called it a day using it..

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:00 pm

I switched over to using SM regional bounty instead (along with some other tweaking mods). Had some other issues with Ren's as well, like attacking some guards, and the guard just greeting me with a cheerful "The imperial legion is at your disposal Citizen, what seems to be the problem?" (or similar) instead of defending himself. It was probably a conflict of some sort, but I wasn't able to solve it even with clean installs and load order tweaking, so I gave up.

The random attacks at the palace stopped when I removed RGO, however.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:10 am

I switched over to using SM regional bounty instead (along with some other tweaking mods). Had some other issues with Ren's as well, like attacking some guards, and the guard just greeting me with a cheerful "The imperial legion is at your disposal Citizen, what seems to be the problem?" (or similar) instead of defending himself. It was probably a conflict of some sort, but I wasn't able to solve it even with clean installs and load order tweaking, so I gave up.

The random attacks at the palace stopped when I removed RGO, however.

Yeah I'm having that same problem as well sometimes, when I strike a guard or do anything illegal they just run up to me and greet me, I'll have to do what ever it is a few times before they try to arrest me, I've also had some other issues with that mod as well it was giving me a CTD at a particular hour some time back so had to disable it get past that point and enable it again, I did try removing it to see if that had any effect but it didn't work so I can't put the blame on that one this time, but for what the mod does overall I still think it's great.....what are the tweaks your running along side SM regional bounty?

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:43 am

Anyone got any more ideas on this??

EDIT:

Don't know if this is relevant to this problem as well but the drop lit torches feature ain't working ether, and when I click the ''hotkey'' icon it says I have no torches even though I actually have four :mellow:

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:11 am

Someone tell me something please because I think what ever is causing this is starting to make me CTD in cities which NEVER use to happen

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:34 am

Someone tell me something please because I think what ever is causing this is starting to make me CTD in cities which NEVER use to happen

That would be an odd relation... Have you tried doing a clean save of RGO? Did you reset your infamy after disabling it (before adding it back, if you chose to do so.)

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:35 pm

That would be an odd relation... Have you tried doing a clean save of RGO? Did you reset your infamy after disabling it (before adding it back, if you chose to do so.)

No I didn't do a clean save of RGO but I did disable it and return to the palace and got attacked again (if that would have the same effect) and because it still happened with it disabled I didn't bother with the clean save. It really just came out of no ware I've interacted with them and passed through there plenty of times with no problem but this time soon as they see me they just beat me down, and that one fight I actually cant win because they build in numbers so quickly

...one thing I didn't mention though I did have the Umbra and was still under it's effects any chance of that doing something maybe?

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:14 pm

No I didn't do a clean save of RGO but I did disable it and return to the palace and got attacked again (if that would have the same effect) and because it still happened with it disabled I didn't bother with the clean save. It really just came out of no ware I've interacted with them and passed through there plenty of times with no problem but this time soon as they see me they just beat me down, and that one fight I actually cant win because they build in numbers so quickly

...one thing I didn't mention though I did have the Umbra and was still under it's effects any chance of that doing something maybe?

Did you reset your infamy? Removing RGO probably would not fix that. You have to do that too. I think the command is something along the lines of setCrimeGold 0

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:43 am

Did you reset your infamy? Removing RGO probably would not fix that. You have to do that too. I think the command is something along the lines of setCrimeGold 0

My crime gold was already at 0 my infamy was 256ish and I set it to 0 but the same thing....what about the fact that one on them keeps using some sort of invisibility spell, he's in ''attack mode'' if you will, but doesn't actually attack as he's to busy casting this same spell on himself over and over :unsure2:

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:56 pm

My crime gold was already at 0 my infamy was 256ish and I set it to 0 but the same thing....what about the fact that one on them keeps using some sort of invisibility spell, he's in ''attack mode'' if you will, but doesn't actually attack as he's to busy casting this same spell on himself over and over :unsure2:

That sounds like a nice little bug. Do you know what mods modify this guy? Use FormID finder to get his ID and look him up in TES4Edit.

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:49 pm

That sounds like a nice little bug. Do you know what mods modify this guy? Use FormID finder to get his ID and look him up in TES4Edit.

Not sure if I checked that specific guy but the others where ether from Oblivion.esm or OOO.esm but ALL was scripted by OOO.esm, I'll check him specifically though and see what it says....after I find out what should I do in TES4Edit, I have it but never used it :mellow: ?

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:53 pm

It is pretty simple. Expand one of the plugins that contain his record (you mentioned OOO already) and click on it. Once you do that, you will see, in the right pane, all of the mods that modify him. Check for mods that modify his record other than OOO. If OOO were at fault (by itself) someone would have caught onto this...

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:24 pm

It is pretty simple. Expand one of the plugins that contain his record (you mentioned OOO already) and click on it. Once you do that, you will see, in the right pane, all of the mods that modify him. Check for mods that modify his record other than OOO. If OOO were at fault (by itself) someone would have caught onto this...

Right I checked the one that keeps casting the spell his name is ''Order of the Dragon Knight'' and he's from Return of Shadows mod. info reads:

From Mod:
55: Return of Shadows.esp

Base Object:
Order of the Dragon Knight
550100c5

From Mod:
55: Return of Shadows.esp

Script Information:
Script: 550021DD
55: Return of Shadows.esp

All the rest as I say are ether from OOO.esm or Oblivion.esm but scripted from OOO.esm, my guess now would be hes the source of the problem so do the same thing and find him in TES4Edit and then what? would you need the information it gives?

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:33 am

Right I checked the one that keeps casting the spell his name is ''Order of the Dragon Knight'' and he's from Return of Shadows mod. info reads:

From Mod:
55: Return of Shadows.esp

Base Object:
Order of the Dragon Knight
550100c5

From Mod:
55: Return of Shadows.esp

Script Information:
Script: 550021DD
55: Return of Shadows.esp

All the rest as I say are ether from OOO.esm or Oblivion.esm but scripted from OOO.esm, my guess now would be hes the source of the problem so do the same thing and find him in TES4Edit and then what? would you need the information it gives?

I don't understand what OOO has to do with this, if that NPC is from Return of Shadows. That report would indicate that there is an issue with that quest? mod, and not OOO. Have you tried deactivating it?

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:17 pm

I don't understand what OOO has to do with this, if that NPC is from Return of Shadows. That report would indicate that there is an issue with that quest? mod, and not OOO. Have you tried deactivating it?

No I not saying OOO is to blame for the problem I'm saying that some of the other guards that's attacking me is from OOO but the one who keeps casting the spell turns out hes from Return of Shadows, I ain't tried disabling no, is it ok to do so though I've started it and have some of the items in my inventory?

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:07 pm

No I not saying OOO is to blame for the problem I'm saying that some of the other guards that's attacking me is from OOO but the one who keeps casting the spell turns out hes from Return of Shadows, I ain't tried disabling no, is it ok to do so though I've started it and have some of the items in my inventory?

Normally, yes. If not, the game will not launch without it. It is a not a script-centric mods, so you don't have to worry about your stats bugging out and all that jazz. It should be just as simple as removing any quest mod.

Edit: Did you make sure to not check OOO, the ESP and the ESM, under Factions and Relations in the Bashed Patch?

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:00 am

Edit: Did you make sure to not check OOO, the ESP and the ESM, under Factions and Relations in the Bashed Patch?

Nnnoooo, they are both checked, OOO.esp in factions and both .esm and .esp in relations......should they not be because I've had them checked from the start? :unsure:

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:08 pm

The Bashed Patch - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=bashed_patch <-- In the case of OOO+other overhaul (or MMM) don't check the OOO ESPs under Factions and Relations

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:41 pm

The Bashed Patch - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=bashed_patch <-- In the case of OOO+other overhaul (or MMM) don't check the OOO ESPs under Factions and Relations

Made the changes in the Bash Patch where necessary after reading the section in the link, far as it goes with the problem, after disabling Return of Shadows I can confirm that's the source because I wasn't attacked once after passing the palace.....So now we know that is the actual source of the problem what steps do I need to take to rectify it?

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:57 am

Made the changes in the Bash Patch where necessary after reading the section in the link, far as it goes with the problem, after disabling Return of Shadows I can confirm that's the source because I wasn't attacked once after passing the palace.....So now we know that is the actual source of the problem what steps do I need to take to rectify it?

Drop a post in the mod's thread with your load order and a description of the conflict, and see if they will release a patch. My guess is that the issue is related to faction conflicts. Did you see anything along those lines in TES4Edit? You would want to look under the Factions branch in Return of Shadows.

» Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:53 pm

Drop a post in the mod's thread with your load order and a description of the conflict, and see if they will release a patch. My guess is that the issue is related to faction conflicts. Did you see anything along those lines in TES4Edit? You would want to look under the Factions branch in Return of Shadows.

Hmm last time I made a post there I got total air lol but I'll try again, erm there's a few things under the faction tab but if it's actually supposed say ''xxx conflict xxx'' (which I doubt as it's never that easy

) then no but here's what it does say.

FormID.............EditorID..............................Name

01000EED........TcSkLikePlayer...................Clones Like Player
01000EF2.........TcSunMagesFaction............SunMages
01001C89.........aaaTcFrenzyPoison
010024ED.........aaaNamiraMerchantStor
01002A9C.........aaaSKDSFaction................Dark Sisterhood
01005F2E.........AaaaOODFaction................Order of the Dragon
01005F43..........aaaSKDBCAVEFaction.......Dark Sisterhood
01006055..........ShadoeKnights...................ShadowKnights
0100879A.........TCBrawlerswithoutinterfer.....Browlers
010090C2.........AAATcNAMIRAMerchants
010091A0.........aaaTcRyukhate...................Ryuk Hates us
010091A1.........aaaTcHateRyku...................We Hate Ryuk
0100A212.........ShadowKnightsSquire..........Squire
0100BBA2.........aaatcskwolfblue
0100BBA3.........aaacskwolfyellow
0100CAC3.........aaaaatchatplayer................kill player must
0100E87C.........aaatcskglegang...................Glen Gang
0100E882.........aaatcskrocofamily
01017A94.........TcNimbriniaslave..................Nimbrinia's Slave
01022C42.........aaaaSkPrisoners.................Prisoners
01026A6F.........AAAStrongwolfpack.............Strong Wolf Pack
01028CC8.........AAAStrongwolfenemy..........Enemy of Strongwolf
01032AC8.........TcSkLikePlayerCOPY0000...welikePlayer

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:57 am

Bad conflicts are usually indicated by red backgrounds. Not all red backgrounds are actually conflicts with which you should concern yourself, but that is the color you'd probably want to pay the most attention to. I need to look at my LO with TES4Edit real quick to see if I can direct you toward some more relevant records. What you are really trying to do is find records where this mod interferes with vanilla guards, places where it seems to be overlapping with OOO.

Edit: Okay, I think I had you looking in the right place. What you need to do is look at faction records where you see different colored backgrounds indicating overlap. The easiest place to look would probably be the Bashed Patch, actually.