Random crashes with FCOM and other mods. : IV

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:35 pm

I just finished a FCOM install, then added a few other mods and I'm gettings random crashes every 10 minutes. My computer runs the game on max settings easily so that's not the problem. But system specs anyways:

-intel Core i7 870 @2.93GHz
-16.0 GB RAM
-NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2 GB RAM

Here's my Wrye Installers load order, so you can see if there's a problem here right off the bat:

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-Unofficial Oblivion Patch 3.2
-Unofficial Oblivion Patch 3.4
-Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch
-Knights Of The Nine
-Unnoficial Mods Patch
-Francesco's Creatures and Items V5B1
-Francesco's Creatures and Items V5B2
-Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul 133
-Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul 134B5
-FCOM Warcry EV BSA Optimized
-Oblivion Warcry 1.8
-Oblivion Warcry 1.85
-Oblivion Warcry 1.9
-FCOM Bob's Armory BSA Optimized
-Bob's Armory Oblivion
-Loth's Blunt Weapons
-Armamentarium Complete Resources
-Armamentarium Complete
-Artifacts
-Artifacts 1.1
-MMM 37B3 BSA
-MMM 38B3 Public Release
-MMM Diverse Waterlife Update
-COBL
-Loot Drop Changes Proposal
-MMM COBL
-MMM Runeskull Rebalance Beta 2
-FCOM Convergence BSA
-FCOM Convergence Beta 9.9
-UFCOM
-FCOM Warcry 109
-FCOM Entropic Order Rebalance
-OMOBS Shivering Isles
-DarkUId DarN
-Operation Optimization
-Optimized Distant Land MAX
-Reduced Distant Land Textures MAX
-Combat FPS Optimizer
-OBGE Core
-OBGE Standalone Effects
-Screen Effects
-SP 1st Person Legs
-HUD Status Bars
-Drop Lite Torches OBSE
-Symphony Of Violence
-Sounds Of Cyrodiil Full
-Sounds Of Cyrodiil Knights Of The Nine Addon
-Atmospheric Oblivion
-Oblivion Stereo Sound Overhaul
-Better Music System
-Better Music System for Shivering Isles
-Better Musix System hotfix
-Alternative Start
-Keychain
-Enhanced Economy
-Enhanced Hotkeys
-Natural Environments
-Let There Be Darkness
-Fearsome Magicka
-Fearsome Magicka hotfix
-Fearsome Magicka graphic fix
-Midas Magic Spells Of Aurum
-Midas Magic Spells Of Aurum Patch
-Qarl's Texture Pack 3
-Trade And Commerce
-PiiiP Enhanced Grabbing
-TA Odd Jobs Complete
-PJs Spell Compendium
-CM Partners
-TRN One Of The Gang
-Reneers Guard Overhaul
-Supreme Magicka
-Alexscorpion Sneaking Gear
-Assassins Creed Gear by Nexon
-Assassin Tripwires
-Crossbows Of Cyrodiil
-Crossbows Of Cyrodiil Update
-Deadly Shadows Armor
-Deadly Shadows Armor 1.1
-Dragon Katana
-Havok'd Ladders
-Ivellon 1.7
-Ivellon 1.8
-Shadow Armor Set Sotonhorian
-Shadow Armor Set Sotonhorian update
-Sniper Sneak Skillup
-Unique Landscapes Compilation
-Unique Landscapes Patches Compilation
-Optimized Distant Land MAX Unique Landscapes Patch
-Better Cities Permanent Resources
-Better Cities Resources
-Better Cities
-Animated Window Lighting System
-Better Cities Unique Landscapes Patches
-Unnecessary Violence 2
-Deadly Reflex 6
-Deadly Reflex NIFSE Compatibility

And my full load order:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 5.0]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]09  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.1.8]0A  BetterMusicSystem.esm0B  CM Partners.esm0C  HorseCombatMaster.esm0D  ScreenEffects.esm0E  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]0F  UOPS Additional Changes.esp++  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp10  DLCShiveringIsles.esp11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]12  USIPS Additional Changes.esp13  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]14  Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp  [Version 5.0]15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]17  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]18  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  Natural_Weather_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp1B  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp1C  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp1D  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp1E  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]1F  WindowLightingSystem.esp20  1DeadlyShadows.esp++  Brighter_Torches.esp21  BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp  [Version 1.0]22  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]23  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]24  ScreenControls.esp25  Streamline 3.1.esp26  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3.1]27  1AlexscorpionSilverDragonKatana.esp28  1AlexScorpionSneakingSuit.esp29  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp2A  Shdw_Armor Set_Sotonhorian.esp2B  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp  [Version Beta]2C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]2D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]30  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]32  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]33  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]34  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]35  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]36  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]37  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]40  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]41  Trade and Commerce.esp42  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]43  Assassin Tripwires.esp44  Knights.esp45  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]46  Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp  [Version 1.0]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]47  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]48  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]49  xulTheHeath.esp4A  xulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2.1]4B  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4C  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4D  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.3]4E  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.5]4F  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.4]50  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.2]51  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.4]52  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]53  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]54  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.4]55  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]56  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]57  xulPantherRiver.esp58  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]59  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]5A  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.8]5B  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]5C  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5D  DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp5E  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5F  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]60  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]61  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]62  OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.2]63  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]64  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.3]65  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.1]66  OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]67  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]68  Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp69  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]6A  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]6B  Havok Ladders.esp++  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 5.4.3]70  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp71  PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.esp72  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]73  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]74  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]75  MidasSpells.esp76  FearsomeMagicka.esp77  RenGuardOverhaul.esp78  TRN One of the Gang.esp79  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]7A  CombatFPSOptimizer.esp7B  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp7C  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp7D  DRSplatter.esp7E  SniperSneakSkillup.esp7F  SP1stPLegs.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]80  CM Partners.esp81  Assassins Creed - Altair's Gear - Light Armor.esp82  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp83  CM Partners More NPCs.esp84  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]85  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.1.7]86  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.1.8]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 5.1.2]87  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 5.1.0]88  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 5.0.0]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.1.0]89  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]8A  UVII.esp8B  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp++  Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.90]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]8C  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I am using:
-Streamline 3.1
-Windom Earle's Crash Prevention System
-Oblivion Stutter Remover
-ALGOHOL
-Fast Exit
-Elys Silent Voice
-Menu Que

I also Have Bomret's Shivering Isles Texture pack installed. And for UV 2/ Deadly Reflex; I deleted the skeleton mesh and animations from those because I disliked the head bobbing in first person. Not sure if that means anything.

I have not cleaned any mods with TES4Edit.

As for the FCOM install, I got that setup and the only other mod I installed was Alternate Start. I started a new game and then got to the Waterfront and walked around, it was fine. Then I installed all the other mods, and started a new character. Not everything was installed then, I later installed Trade and Commerce, and uninstalled/ reinstalled Deadly Reflex for troubleshooting reason.

Thanks for any help.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:56 am

The usual cuplit is "you have used up all your RAM".

System specs please, including OS.

Also, are you running Streamline and Oblivion Stutter Remover?

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:36 am

The usual cuplit is "you have used up all your RAM".

System specs please, including OS.

Also, are you running Streamline and Oblivion Stutter Remover?

yes I am using both of those, and I updated thread with system specs.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:27 am

Are you using the 4 GB LAA patch?

Also, fix this please: "I have not cleaned any mods with TES4Edit."

In addition, can you revert to the original FCOm install (no extras), and go through Vilverin to make sure you do not run into missing meshes etc? If that works out, you would know that your FCOM install is stable, and there is some other mod causing the issue. Also, not sure, but are DR6 and UV2 fully stable? I had issues with DR6, and if you don't uninstall cleanly, there could be issues leading to crashes.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:22 am

With 16 gigs of RAM I seriously doubt your running out of memory unless you have a virus on your computer. I still don't know how to install FCOM properly myself, but I do know that you can't install a whole list of mods at once with out testing each one individually against your FCOM install. My advice is this: 1. Uninstall Oblivion 2. Delete your Oblivion folder in the game directory as well as the one in the My Games folder in my documents. 3. Clean your registery 4. Install Oblivion ( If using windows 7 change the path from program files (x86 ) to ex: C:/games. or Wrye Bashe nor Oblivion + mods will play nice.) 5. At this point it might be a good idea to start Oblivion so that a new ini file will be created in your My games folder. Finish installing expansions with patches. 6. Might want to make a back up of your Oblivion folder. (optional) 7. Install wrye bashe along with any other utility you'll be using such as OBSE. Please make sure you use OBSE to launch Oblivion or your just asking for CTD. 8. Install FCOM . 9. Run wrye bashe to make sure all mod dependencies are accounted for. 10. Test your game. Make sure to exit cells and enter new areas to make sure the rest of Oblivion in running nice. 11. Install one mod at a time and test it against FCOM. Make sure wrye bashe isn't giving you any red flags. 12. Last install your texture packs. Maybe an expert on this can help more if I left anything out.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:42 am

If you do have questions about FCOM or it's content please use the official thread. http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1364664-relz-fcom-convergence/
You'll receive attention form the mod team or fellow members that have experience with the mod.
Independent topics like this one tend to be answered by helpful individuals, but not always by those with working knowledge. This often leads to confusing or incorrect information being given.
It's also a complete nightmare for people using the search engine when they get 500 plus hits for the mod.

If there's an active thread for a mod, then please use it.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:19 pm

If you do have questions about FCOM or it's content please use the official thread. http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1364664-relz-fcom-convergence/
You'll receive attention form the mod team or fellow members that have experience with the mod.
Independent topics like this one tend to be answered by helpful individuals, but not always by those with working knowledge. This often leads to confusing or incorrect information being given.
It's also a complete nightmare for people using the search engine when they get 500 plus hits for the mod.

If there's an active thread for a mod, then please use it.

You're right, I apologize. I figured since this was more of a general question and less about FCOM itself I'd make a thread.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:09 am

your biggest problem is probably the crash prevention system.

it corrupts saves and makes them crash.

remove that and start a new game, it should make a big difference.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:24 pm

For Fearsome Magicka you'll also need RefStuff OBSE plugin.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:42 am

your biggest problem is probably the crash prevention system.

it corrupts saves and makes them crash.

remove that and start a new game, it should make a big difference.

Okay I'll try it out.

For Fearsome Magicka you'll also need RefStuff OBSE plugin.

I have that, I forgot to mention it in the OP.
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I removed UV2 and DR6 and I was able to play without crashing for 10-15 minutes, but I didn't play more than that. Also I'm not sure if streamline is working, or atleast the autosave feature. I configured the .ini and it doesn't seem to be doing anything in game.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:36 pm

your biggest problem is probably the crash prevention system.

it corrupts saves and makes them crash.

remove that and start a new game, it should make a big difference.

Fast Exit can go too, as that functionality is built into OSR.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:15 am

Okay I'll try it out.

I have that, I forgot to mention it in the OP.
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I removed UV2 and DR6 and I was able to play without crashing for 10-15 minutes, but I didn't play more than that. Also I'm not sure if streamline is working, or atleast the autosave feature. I configured the .ini and it doesn't seem to be doing anything in game.

You have to manually start streamline's ini changes by typing a console command. I forget the command, but it is in the readme, as well as the last line of the ini file.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:28 am

ctrl+home, then special actions -> initialize with .ini settings

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:11 am

Thanks a lot guys. One last question; do I need to worry about any Tweak settings in my bashed patch? For example I want to use Irresponsible Creatures, VaderApp's Oblivion Real Bodies Skeleton Tweaker, and Real Walk for NPCs under Tweak Actors. Or Bow Reach Fix under Tweak Assorted, and or Arrow Speed under Tweak Settings.

Will changing any of those things conflict with FCOM or are some already in FCOM?

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:16 am

irresponsible creatures is made of win.

VORB and real walks, no idea.

bow reach fix, always use it ( along with some other fixes the name of which eludes me now. read the description and it should be clear: if it solves possible issues in mods, use it )

arrow speed is already included in FCOM iirc ( should be part of Francesco's ) .

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:23 am

Nvidea fog fix if using a Nvidea card too. Although you can apply that to mods individually.