Please improve the ragdoll or whatever physics (when the giant fell especially).

And what's up with the draw distance on the tundra? I'm talking about the grass - it looks alright when close, but as you look further away it all looks like a grey porridge with nothing but an ugly texture.

It's unfair to compare the Creation Engine to any of those you listed for one simple reason: game engines are designed for the particular game you are creating, and since games are different from each other, it's invalid to compare what engine is being used to create that game. If you are making a linear game, often in the fps genre, it's easier to focus on graphics, while if you're making a huge, open world action rpg, it's much more difficult to focus on graphics. Different engines are being used for different games and for this simple reason, it's not fair to say that "the Creation Engine simply svcks". It's like saying that a mountain bike svcks compared to a road bike because a road bike isn't as versatile. They are made for different purposes, and thus should not be compared.

I rated Creation engine 9. Cryengine 3 10. Frostbite 11.

I also think Creation Engine already looks better than Chrome Engine. -edit: how many CEs are there? :blink:

Seriously? We are 5 months from release and we got no PC demo? (as far as i am concerned) I mean, how hard is to 'fraps' couple of minutes (make it 20 secs, don't care, it should be enough) of 1920x1080 fully maxed out gameplay video so we get better picture of how the graphics would look. Anyone got more info on resolution and graphical settings used in xbox demo?

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It's unfair to compare the Creation Engine to any of those you listed for one simple reason: game engines are designed for the particular game you are creating, and since games are different from each other, it's invalid to compare what engine is being used to create that game. If you are making a linear game, often in the fps genre, it's easier to focus on graphics, while if you're making a huge, open world action rpg, it's much more difficult to focus on graphics. Different engines are being used for different games and for this simple reason, it's not fair to say that "the Creation Engine simply svcks". It's like saying that a mountain bike svcks compared to a road bike because a road bike isn't as versatile. They are made for different purposes, and thus should not be compared.
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I agree ^

But the chrome engine 4 would have worked perfectly with skyrim omg , it shows the same enviroment except it doesn't have snow (

Oh Im definately gonna buy it. Im loving the game play and I love the combat, and I was sceptical about dragons before but now I've seen them I'm in love. Besides its technical limitations I loved Oblivion and played it almost non stop for 4 years...

But this is 2011, and the graphics in Skyrim look like garbage. The lighting, while it is better than Oblivion (which isnt saying much) looks pretty bad, and the textures and detail are crap. .DDS while it may be a small file size makes for realy baddly compressed textures, the textures dont have alot of color gradient or sharpnes. And that is especially aparent when hes looking at the iron shield close up in the inventory, and thats not just the quality of the video.

I'm sure the artists have put many hours into making the game beautiful, but all that is lost when its all compresed down to fit on the Xbox 360.

Maybe it looks nice in that video ,but when you watch the game which is supported by the Chrome engine (Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood) it doesnt look so spectacular does it?

All I can say is trust in Bethesda and trust Todd Howard, I'm convinced that this game is going to be perfect, besides think of it like this, the fact that they haven't focused on the graphics as much as they did in Oblivion means that they have focused a lot on gameplay, I thought gameplay was really lacking in Oblivion compared to Morrowind and Daggerfall. I'm sure when this game comes out everyone will be happy with the end result. I have a few gripes about the game but I've accepted the fact that they have their reason for it.

Sorry i keep forgetting we only saw xbox 360 version pretty sure on pc the graphics will be much better, and if i am not wrong there was a guy in the modding comunity that made a hig res textures for oblivion and they looked awesome so i am a bit at ease now

Theres modders for STALKER who have made some very very good texture mods for it , and so im hoping that they will turn their talents towards Skyrim. Speccular Occlusion FTW.

I voted 7. I would vote 6.5 but that wasn't an option so... rounded up to 7. That's my honest, non-really devoted fan opinion.

I think the game looks good aesthetically, as well as concerning art & design (in general).
Graphics-wise though? Only thing that doesn't look outdated are the volumetric clouds. The rest... looks pretty outdated already compared to other engines and newer games.
Sorry Bethesda, I think it doesn't look "fantastic" at all to me. It looks decent / OK.

Battlefield 3 gets a 10.0/10.0 from me.

I think Skyrim will still rock the world as a game as a whole... but graphically? No, far from. It's still a bit sad though I think, because it makes me wonder "What would Skyrim look like if it had gone this route instead...?" and then the very thought makes me shiver.

About a 9.

Also, the IW engine is modified idTech 4 if I remember correctly.

Compared to these others I would give the Creation engine a solid 7 or 8.

Cryengine - Always loved this engine, capable of stunning graphics. Possibly the best engine for graphics.
Unreal engine - Video was just cinematic and not really a fair comparison.
Anvil engine - Good shadows but nothing to write home about.
Dragon dogmas engine - Again, nice shadows and light effects but textures were nothing special
Frostbite 2 engine - Very impressive especially particle effects.
Rage engine - Nothing special
IDtech 5 - Nothing special
Naughty Dog Game engine - Not too good, textures looked flat and shadows were non existant at times.
IW engine - Lighting could be better and I dislike the excessive use of blurring.
Chrome engine 4 - A good comparison for Skyrim (both are similar settings). Chrome has a better draw distance but seems to be losing a few fps at times. Similar textures to the creation engine.

How can we possible rate this engine that we know hardly anything about?

Besides the fact that the graphics are just as dependent on the the skills of the artists creating them as the engine itself.

By itself the Creation Engine is a solid 8-9 but in comparasion to the other engines it's a 1, although that doesn't mean the engine is a failure, far from it.

I don't know, I gave it an 8 because I hope it's better optimized.

However, it does look like an upgraded gamebyro engine but I guess they're just reusing stuff.

No IDtech is for the RAGE game , the RAGE Engine is the Rockstar Game Engine ....

Actually the RAGE engine that you say is nothing special is the one used for fre roaming in Red dead redemption that runs solely on consolles ... here you can see a video how it workks in a Skyrimish environment ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edmTtBnHmV0

I am adding it to the RAGE engine link ....

Exactly this, probably an 8.5 though imo.

My favourite engine is probably iD Tech 5 or RED engine.

You remove all the credibility from your opinions when you say hyperbolic things like this.


It's clearly far beyond Oblivion.

The Engine destroys Oblivion, there is no comparasion.

well theres ten other engines, so its pretty much if you placed them in order of one to ten, where would the creation engine fit? gotta be honest it is pretty low down that list...

I take it you shan't be playing SKyrim then?

Fact #1: Skyrim has dynamic shadows everywhere. Oblivion does not.
Fact #2: Skyrim has camera effects. Oblivion does not.
Fact #3: Skyrim has dynamic weather effects. Oblivion does not.

Opinion based on facts 1-3 #1: Skyrim looks better than Oblivion.
Opinion #2: That statement of yours is gibberish.

I agree, I think the graphics are stunning, don't get why some people say it's no different to Oblivion.

Besides even if they waited for the next generation consoles to release (which would mean we'd have to wait years) Todd said himself in a video interview that there would only be small differences graphically and maybe open cities and more NPCs on screen which isn't really a bother to me personally I'm sure there will be a mod for it one day like there was for Oblivion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLb7Kg1hfig 3:17