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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:43 pm

Kill a Daedric Prince by Universe Bursting LOL.Homever yes,it's told that Haermenus Mora holds the knowlodge of "How to kill a Daedric prince:
There is also a rumor that floats around in Dagerfall that Hermaeus Mora contains the hidden knowledge on how to kill a Daedra"
if any of you doubt if it's isn't true here's the link: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Hermaeus_Mora
Homever,as the own sentence says.It's just rumor.But we know that Mora is the Daedric Prince of Knowlodge.And if i'm not wrong, the Aedra can die.Their "opposite"(readed some replies of people claiming that Aedra can die.)
Plz don't consider me a troll.I want to see opnions if we can trully kill those "Super-Cool-Evil-Gods"(I know that there's no conception of Evil to a Daedra.)
My theory is that is possible to kill a Daedric Prince(not extacly kill but...) if you find a way to Banish him,and then someone at his Obvilion plane closes the "Void" door,thus trapping the Prince forever and making him suffer pain forever.And probaly killing him O:
"In the series, a Daedroth's physical form can be destroyed, but they cannot be truly killed, as the soul or animusof a slain Daedroth returns to the void of Obvilion until it is able to return to physical form. The torturous period in the void can last centuries, and is the closest sensation to death that a Daedroth can experience."
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 12:32 pm

I'm pretty certain I understand every word (and which words you intended) in that post, but I have no idea what you're saying. The only bit I understood was you think Hermaeus Mora holds the knowledge of how to kill a Daedra Prince and you sourced it to a wikia entry on elderscrolls wiki, quite possibly the absolute bane of accuracy. For the record, I've spent years of my life geeking out over TES backstory and this is the first time I've heard this.

You maintain you are not a troll, and yet I have a hard time believing you.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:31 pm

I'm pretty certain I understand every word (and which words you intended) in that post, but I have no idea what you're saying. The only bit I understood was you think Hermaeus Mora holds the knowledge of how to kill a Daedra Prince and you sourced it to a wikia entry on elderscrolls wiki, quite possibly the absolute bane of accuracy. For the record, I've spent years of my life geeking out over TES backstory and this is the first time I've heard this.

You maintain you are not a troll, and yet I have a hard time believing you.
It's on wikia,since Aedra can die,why can't Daedra since the are the opossite?As i said there's a legend that says that Mora holds that knwolodge on his Library,it' on the wikia.And i suggested that is possible killing the Daedra by trapping him in the void.This "Void" we can imagine as a Whormwhole,where the spirit of a Prince passes trought it to return to it's realm.So theorical,we could close the exit of This Wormwhole/Door whatever you want to call it.Thus trapping the prince inside.He may not be killed but,it's enough to him not shows up,possibly never again.And read that:
"and is the closest sensation to death that a Daedroth can experience." "
If they can feel the same feeling that a human does when i'ts dying.Makes this more intersting.But yes,i readed some people saying that we can kill a Daedric Prince by Blowing Up Obvilion and then killing them in Mundus ...insane no?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:03 pm

Aedra can die. Daedra are the opposite. Does this mean Daedra cannot die?

Stopping daedra from reforming sounds pretty mean for a person to do. All the Golden Saints and Seducers wanted Sheogorath's Champion to save their tonal-alter-chimes-bell place.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:39 pm

It's on wikia,since Aedra can die,why can't Daedra since the are the opossite?As i said there's a legend that says that Mora holds that knwolodge on his Library,it' on the wikia.And i suggested that is possible killing the Daedra by trapping him in the void.This "Void" we can imagine as a Whormwhole,where the spirit of a Prince passes trought it to return to it's realm.So theorical,we could close the exit of This Wormwhole/Door whatever you want to call it.Thus trapping the prince inside.He may not be killed but,it's enough to him not shows up,possibly never again.And read that:
"and is the closest sensation to death that a Daedroth can experience." "
If they can feel the same feeling that a human does when i'ts dying.Makes this more intersting.But yes,i readed some people saying that we can kill a Daedric Prince by Blowing Up Obvilion and then killing them in Mundus ...insane no?


You do realize anyone can edit the wikia to say whatever they want?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:00 am

You do realize anyone can edit the wikia to say whatever they want?

I'm usually one of the first to defend the validity of wikis (and I am doing that a little now), but Wikia has a particular reputation for svcking. FWIW, I endorse this reputation because the politics behind Wikia are bonkers and pretty much work against the concept of a wiki.

But, I've derailed this subject enough. Carry on.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:35 am

For the longest time now, wikis for TES have been short at best, misleading at worst. Stick to primary sources by reading the books in the game. They'll lead you down a better path than trying short-cuts.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:55 pm

It's on wikia,
Who gives a [censored]? The skyrim wiki is not a source here, nor anywhere. If you want to make a claim, you directly reference game content, either via picture, or by link to the Imperial library's archives.

since Aedra can die,why can't Daedra since the are the opossite?
Aedra can "die" because they are a part of mundus, the mortal realm. They are trapped within it's limitations, and as such, are vulnerable in ways the daedra have never been.

This "Void" we can imagine as a Whormwhole,where the spirit of a Prince passes trought it to return to it's realm.So theorical,we could close the exit of This Wormwhole/Door whatever you want to call it.Thus trapping the prince inside.He may not be killed but,it's enough to him not shows up,possibly never again.And read that:
"and is the closest sensation to death that a Daedroth can experience." "
If they can feel the same feeling that a human does when i'ts dying.Makes this more intersting.But yes,i readed some people saying that we can kill a Daedric Prince by Blowing Up Obvilion and then killing them in Mundus ...insane no?
The "doors" that you have referenced, are you referring to the set-up the golden saints and Dark seducers have with Sheogorath? Suffice it to say, they are not necessary for daedra, though they are an improvement. And secondly, the Princes are a bit above their lesser kin, and the banishment of an avatar most likely does not have the same effect on a prince that the destruction of a dremora's body would have on a dremora animus.

Edit: also, it seems the wikia stopped making that claim about Herma mora.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:10 pm

I'm going to make a wild claim here that you cannot kill Daedra, but that Daedra can kill themselves.

I mean, they're et'Ada too right?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:17 pm

I'm going to make a wild claim here that you cannot kill Daedra, but that Daedra can kill themselves.

I mean, they're et'Ada too right?
The Daedra could always cut off parts of themselves, I suppose.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:48 pm

To completely and utterly annihilate something seems to be close to near impossibility. Daedra can die, but that'd mean their soul dies. Mortals and immortals are only different in that mortals have a body that lasts only a certain amount of time, and their soul is very much like an etch-a-sketch. Immortals have bodies that do not expire like milk and remember what it's like being dead.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:57 pm



The Daedra could always cut off parts of themselves, I suppose.

There is that point. I wonder what made Lorkhan's business venture so different, beyond Saints and Seducers taking stabs at each other.

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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:59 pm

Daedra can pretty much be completely changed, and that's similar enough to killing them. Jyggalag or Leaper King for example.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:50 am

i'd say any change is drastic to an immortal being. Cuz after a while, everything kinda blurs together, and who you think you are is all she's got left.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:28 pm

Also, can we just clear up. Aedra are NOT "opposites" of daedra.

Aedra is simply elven for "ancestors", and daedra "not ancestors" [Implicit: From the elves perspective] . As that implies aedra and dedra are different in some ways, but they are not like demons/angels, they are not opposite counterparts, simply "different"
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:59 am

Also, can we just clear up. Aedra are NOT "opposites" of daedra.

Definitely. Its been discussed before on how the Aedra, Daedra, and Magna-Ge are all of the Et-ada, their differences only really being defined by how they interacted with creation. The Aedra participated and stayed. The Magna-Ge participated but left. The Daedra didn't participate at all.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:19 pm

Daedra can pretty much be completely changed, and that's similar enough to killing them. Jyggalag or Leaper King for example.
I'm going with this.

There was also the comment in the Summoning Day letters about the current Daedra becoming the Aedra of the next kalpa, which would necessitate their death.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:03 pm

I'm going with this.

There was also the comment in the Summoning Day letters about the current Daedra becoming the Aedra of the next kalpa, which would necessitate their death.
This seems very unlike.But nothing is "impossible".
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:59 pm

This seems very unlike.But nothing is "impossible".

Funny that this actually has evidence in it's favour, unlike all that you've suggested thus far :-P
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:58 am

Funny that this actually has evidence in it's favour, unlike all that you've suggested thus far :-P
I didn't know that we could Time-Travel on skyrim...or that he Dragons were returning.Bassicaly Bethesda can change the entire concept of LORE if they want..
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:47 pm

I didn't know that we could Time-Travel on skyrim...or that he Dragons were returning.Bassicaly Bethesda can change the entire concept of LORE if they want..

Apparently there are a lot of things about lore that you do not know. Saying "I could be correct if bethesda decides to rewrite everything" is useless.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:47 pm

Apparently there are a lot of things about lore that you do not know. Saying "I could be correct if bethesda decides to rewrite everything" is useless.
Yeah i don't know everithing about the LORE....and i don't think i'm going to know everithing...it's alot of information.This is why i try to respect the others opinions.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:37 pm

This seems very unlike.But nothing is "impossible".
Actually, think of it this way: the Daedra, influenced by interactions with the current mortal world, would want to try it themselves when the next round starts. So instead of making worlds where they are a single absolute law in themselves, they limit themselves by all giving part to a larger whole to make something new and wonderful, as the ones who became Aedra did.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:49 am

Actually, think of it this way: the Daedra, influenced by interactions with the current mortal world, would want to try it themselves when the next round starts. So instead of making worlds where they are a single absolute law in themselves, they limit themselves by all giving part to a larger whole to make something new and wonderful, as the ones who became Aedra did.
Or like,if a Aedra can only Die in Mundus it's own real.And well they are "the gods" in Mundus.This means that the same can be aplied to a Daedric Prince on it's own realm.That in this case,he is also the "god".Correct?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:10 pm

Mortality only exists in the Mundus. The gods 'died' because they gave up parts of themselves to become the Mundus. In contrast, the Daedra are and inseparably their realms. They gave up nothing to make them, and they aren't gods within them as much as they are everything. Because the realms weren't built on limitation, death does not exist. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/monomyth-cyrodiilic-shezarrs-song explains this well.
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