Then don't make your character overpowered; free will exists for a reason you know..

Why not use console commands to accomplish this?

I'd prefer to be able to become "overpowered" in the end. At level 50 or so I want to feel like an unmatched champion of some sort.

You're missing the point entirely.

I wouldn't have to earn that.

A lot of arguments seem to follow the logic of "if something is possible, I must experience it in my game; therefore no one should be able to experience it in their game." That doesn't make any sense. Just apply it to any of the vast number of things it's possible, but not compulsory, to do or be in TES games.

-Killing every NPC in the world
-Stealing every tangible object in the world
-Permanently failing the main quest, usually dooming the world in the process
-...

Certainly, no one expects the game to be designed around these events, but should they be made impossible just to prevent those who don't want them to happen, doing them anyway?

I guess when you say something like that it's a shortcut to thinking.

Not everyone plays on the PC.

That wasn't realism it was a botched attempt to balance the game and make it chalenging to all levels. It was ridiculously unrealistic to see bandits with 15,000 gold each worth of armor and equipment seemingly scraping by in some abandoned mine.

Games shouldn't be done for the power-player public...

Unless you become an actual God, you should still be less powerful than a God.

Win by superior skill or planning, not because you are stronger than anything else ever.

Not to mention how all the weaker enemies/creatures vanished as you progressed.

Are you expecting me to purposefully avoid anything that makes my character stronger at a certain point?
This has nothing to do with free will. I would have to impose restrictions on myself which wouldn't let the game feel natural anymore.
Should I stop using skills to prevent them from leveling?
Should I throw away parts of my equipment because they are too imbalanced?

Seriously, the Don't-like-it-don't-look-at-it argument is getting annoying.

How can I avoid becoming overpowered when it's an inevitability inherent to leveling? Self gimping is the worst concept in video game history.

It's not like there is a switch to turn off not becoming godlike... How about, if you want to become godlike, you turn down the difficulty instead of trying to make the game inherently unrealistic and broken. It's not good game design to make an RPG where you can annihilate anything and everything at the same time. This isn't a game like Destroy All Humans, this is TES and being a god is not supposed to happen.



Well said.

And yet it did in morrowind and oblivion ?

When I'm level 50, the only thing that should be a threat are dragons and other demi-gods *shrug*

I cant belive people are complaining about becoming more and more powerful as they put more and more time into their games. At the end of the story you are most likely the most accomplished persona live in the continent the game takes place. Why? Because no other would be able to do the things you did in the gameworld. Why? Because they were not as powerful as you.

People seem to forget that they are playing a person who changes history - people like that tend to be powerful.

So instead you expect mine and many other peoples characterx to be limited because you couldn't stand to limit yourself a little bit of self restraint.


Seriously, the Omg-its-too-unbalanced-for-my-type-of-gaming-lets-nerf-it-for-everyone arguement is already annoying as it is.

And you must be powerful. VERY powerful, after all, you are the chosen by the gods. But not a damn god.



What he wants it's the normal thing. C'mon, no matter how powerful you are four or five guards should be enough to kill you. If you want to be the damn god of everything and be able to destroy the world... games should not be done for power-players. That fault of difficulty is not entertaining at all.

I want no level scaling. I want some areas where I whup ass and I want some areas where my butt gets slapped.

I can say the same thing about the "If I want to do it I should be able to argument".

None of this godlike verses imbalance debating changes the fact that level scaling is incredibly unrealistic and childish.

Yes, of course I am expecting that. I have the same right to get the game I want, as you do.
The devs will do whatever they want in the end - but I feel very entitled to voice my opinion just like others.

The problem with the "leveling system = inevitable god character" argument is that the way that system works is to make characters become better at what they repeatedly do (especially taking into account the sharp decrease in the rate of skill increases Skyrim features after level 50), and so how you play and what sort of character you want to play is completely at odds.

You want to run, jump, hack, slash, and mix potions constantly, repeatedly, for months on the same character, and yet you also want to never improve beyond a certain point, a point that stops far short of "demigod" levels of power in-setting. If your playing style reflects a godlike character, perhaps you should be playing one. It would be far easier to prevent excessive level gain post-50 than it would be to overcome an arbitrary cap (at least for those who play on consoles).

And to enforce this cap on everyone else's game as well as your own, in the name of in-lore realism, is absurd (see my previous examples of mortals becoming beastly powerful in the TES setting).

And if that's not enough, consider just how powerful your character already is: those who claim not to want to become extraordinarily powerful may want to stop at level 10 or so, and never complete the main quests of Morrowind or Skyrim, at least.

Well, more or less every single RPG uses level scaling. Some more noticeable than others (Im looking at you Oblivion)