Before I start posting my long mod lists, incase I might not have to...

Can realistic leveling be effected by other mods in a largely impacted way?

I have many mods and for some odd reason, the starting stats are overwritten and so instead of reality mod settings I have way too high of starting stats and I dont seem to level up period.

Reality mod is running, so the console says, but all the stats and everything seem to be incredibly off and messed up by some other mod I believe.

Could this be due to some kind of load order, or does the mod rarely ever need much of an order?

Thanks



EDIT- If there is somewhere I could find all the starting stats for all races while using realistic leveling, that would be great!

BTW here is my mod list. OOO and MMM the most notable amoung them.

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm07  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.3.2]08  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]09  HorseCombatMaster.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0D  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.05]0E  Distant Chapel Bells.esp0F  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp10  Living Economy.esp11  Living Economy - Items.esp12  Cutthroat Merchants.esp13  Crowded Roads.esp  [Version 2.0]14  Immersive Travelers.esp15  DLCHorseArmor.esp16  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]17  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]18  DLCOrrery.esp19  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1A  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]1B  DLCVileLair.esp1C  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1D  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]1E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]20  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.11]21  DLCSpellTomes.esp22  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]23  NV Imperial Guard Horse Armour.esp24  DLCThievesDen.esp25  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]26  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]27  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.2]28  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]29  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2A  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]2B  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]2C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2D  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]2E  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]32  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Creatures Alive v1.3.esp42  kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp43  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]44  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]45  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]46  cyrodiil transportation network 1.3 wz.esp47  JADImperialApartments01Temple.esp48  JADImperialApartments02Temple.esp49  JADImperialApartments03Temple.esp4A  Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp4B  Corpse_Kvatch.esp4C  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]4D  thievery.esp4E  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp4F  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.4]50  za_bankmod.esp51  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp52  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]53  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.2]54  DLCFrostcrag.esp55  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]56  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]57  Knights.esp58  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]59  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]5A  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]5B  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp5C  ElsweyrAnequina.esp5D  WaterfrontMarket.esp5E  WaterfrontMarketNoShack.esp5F  JADDockTunnel.esp60  Open Cities Full.esp  [Version 3.3.3]61  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]62  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]63  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]64  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]65  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]66  RealisticFatigue.esp67  RealisticHealth.esp68  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.89]69  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]6A  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]6B  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]6C  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]6D  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]6E  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]6F  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.86]70  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]71  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.70]72  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]73  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]74  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]----> Delinquent MASTER: bgMagicEV.esp75  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp76  RenGuardOverhaul.esp77  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp78  mighty_bows_damage_bonus.esp79  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp7A  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp7B  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]7C  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]7D  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]7E  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]7F  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]80  ProgressRacial.esp81  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]82  RealisticLeveling.esp83  immersive_caves_auto.esp84  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp85  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp86  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp87  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]88  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]89  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]8A  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]8B  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]8C  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]8D  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]8E  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]8F  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]90  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]91  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]92  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp93  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]94  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]95  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp96  Visually Enchanted Fire 1.esp97  Visually Enchanted Frost 1.esp98  Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp99  Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp9A  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]9B  Bashed Patch, 0.esp9C  mighty_bows_sneak_dmg_bonus.esp9D  Archery Rebalance.esp  [Version 1.0]9E  Travelers Inns.esp

hm, now my starting stats are lower at the start again... i am confused as to why since i didnt even change anything.

previously i was getting starting stats of 50-60's and now its much lower in many... shal i assume it is working correctly now?

i can not tell since i have yet to level up. is there a way to tell whether or not the mod is working correctly? i have all the settings to recommended when i installed it.

Have you tried and see what happens if you create a new character and start a new game with him / her?

Yeah, they now appear to be lower so I am assuming it is now working... however... I die in 1-2 hits from everything. Is this supposed to happen?

I am running OOO and MMM, do they make the enemies 10 times stronger? lol

How much health do you have and what kind of enemy is killing you in 1-2 hits? If it's a rat, you've got a problem. If it's something else, maybe not.

When I started out with OOO as a level 1 character, a rat can indeed seriously damage you ! After killing rats and mud crabs, the next best beatable enemies I found were wolfes and goblins. Survival is definitely a problem in OOO (and OOO + MMM) and a BIG change from vanilla!

I think your initial health at level 1 should be about 60 or 70 in OOO depending on what type of character you created, IIRC. So really not much health. Somebody else may know better than I do.

thanks guys, yeah i believe it is now working correctly... although i had to disable realistic fatigue that was recommended with it because people were randomly falling down all the time lol.

now im having framerate issues, its decent with just MMM and OOO and the unofficial and official mods, but after i start adding stuff like open roads etc i cant even fight nor walk into a town without huge lag.

i even did the tweaking guide too. im running the lowest possible widescreen resolution and the lowest detail settings. my computer is 4 years old but it should not be running THIS slow.

In my experience, there are two things that really eat into the framerate: Visible When Distant (VWD) objects and active AI's. Especially MMM add many more enemies with one active AI each, and if you have other mods adding actors, it builds up fast. So consider using one of the MMM plugins that have less (but maybe stronger) enemies.

Thanks niceone, i have a feeling that is exactly it... i mean, its not bad at all if its MMM and OOO only, but it just builds up. I have removed some unncessary mods to help but i think in the end, i will buy another gig of ram (only one gig because i still use 32bit xp) and upgrade my CPU (i will just buy a 5500+ or something thats close to 2.6-3.0GHZ, there old processors so they must be cheap).

think upgrading those two might help things?

my basic specs are:

dual core athlon 3800+ (2.0GHZ)
2GB OCZ ram
NVIDIA 7950GT 256mb

2 gigs of RAM is not so bad but your 2.0 giga hertz CPU is not very fast and the graphics card is also rather old nowadays and has only 256 mega graphics RAM. That's not good. CPU speed is important because OBlivion is not very good at using multi core, so the faster the core speed, the better. Yours at 2.00 ghz is relatively slow.

As to graphics card I have an about 1 1/2 year old, slightly factory-overclocked model of a Nvidia 8800GT with 512 MB RAM and that works rather well in 1680 x 1050 for me. Obviously it depends on what graphic mods and setting you want. I can run all details higher than 80% and even put on 2x anitalias and 8x anisotropic filtering and it is running ok. I guess it could be better but it's pretty good and provides good fun.

The 8800GT is about the same card as the 9800GT (or GTX?). These you can get from ebay rather cheaply today. If you buy a new one, the new ATI 5770 or better yet 5850 are very nice. Also Nvidia 260 are rather strong (stronger than mine) and not very expensive anymore. If you buy a new card, go for one that has 1 GB of graphics ram. But the processor is a bottleneck too in your system.

thanks for the advice,, i looked into some video cards specifically the ones you mentioned but they dont quite seem to be in my price range at the moment. afterall, i mainly just play this game for the computer and that is it. i cant seem to get a new cpu because they no longer make them for the type i have so i am screwed on that. :'(

however, i can buy another gig of ram but i have the feeling most of the performance problems are due to my slow cpu and maybe the video card.

Forgot to ask: What is your operating system? If still XP, stay with 2 GB RAM. If Vista or Win7, yes, buy one more, it should help somewhat especially with loading times.

Check out prices of a used 8800GT with 512MB graphics RAM on Ebay. I've no idea what they are now but if it's affordable for you, go for it. It will make a great improvement over what you have now!

Alternatively an ATI 3870 with 512 RAM is also to recommend; the 8800GT will produce the better anisotropic filtering, Nvidia can do this better than ATI.

hmmmm, yes i am running xp so i dont think any more ram would do much good even though i thought it did allow up to 3gigs that would actually be used.

i looked at some of the graphics cards on tigerdirect and most of them are even slower clock mhz than mine.

i checked those 8800gt on ebay but i dont think i want to trust anything used.

id be willing to spend 100-150 bucks on a video card if it werent for my slow cpu speed. theres no point getting a fast card thats going to bottleneck from a 2.0ghz slowpoke cpu.

not sure what im gonna do, i guess ill just play the best i can for oblivion.

Might wanna check on amazon.com, they have some socket 939 processors there for ya, that are reasonably priced.

You may want to consider opening a thread in the Hardware section of Oblivion forums. People there are very knowledgeable and may be able to tell you if it makes sense for you to get a new video card for the sluggish CPU, and if so which would be a good model. Or consider asking for counsel on a computer forum like

http://www.guru3d.com/

They also have a crapload of stuff to read there, and forums as well. I got a few questions resolved from there. I'd recommend that site and community.

ok i just randomly went form level 1 to level 9 with this mod. WTF is going on? arent i suppose to level up one by one? i never once got any notification and BAM now im level 9. i only killed like 4 things in the process too. makes no freaking sense!

Then it means that you have something else that changes your stats big time and therefore confuses RL. Switching to another leveling mod will not help, as there are none that are more generally compatible than RL. The only incompatible mod I know about is Proximity Based Sneak Penalties, but it seems like there must be others. You're probably better off looking for ABO's "official" thread and restating your question there, btw.

Definitely something is borked! Is your modlist from post #1 still valid? I cannot see any levelling changing mod other than Realistic. And RL worked fine for me despite installing it into an ongoing game. Yes, it reset / recalculated my level ONCE at the beginning, but since then everything is going as supposed to. So I'm at the end of my puny wisdom.

I'd also humbly suggest you post your current LO in the thread TheNiceOne mentions and ask again. Maybe also just post your RL .ini config file there.

After creating a character(without doing any skill levelup) I looked at the skill page and the progress bar showed 64%, is that normal?

Hmm... yes, something must definitely be wrong because I just randomly went back to level 1 again. I dont believe I have any mods that may conflict with it. I do have Proximitey Based Sneak Penalties added but I just recently added it after I had these issues. (what exactly does it conflict with on RL).

My list as grown quite a bit since the first page: (i used BAIN for all the mods except a few that required manual isntallation or were Omod and used OBMM)

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.5.5b4]05  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.8b5]06  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm07  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]08  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]09  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.3.2]0A  BetterMusicSystem.esm0B  BathingMod_Base.esm0C  HorseCombatMaster.esm0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]10  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.05]11  Natural_Weather_HDR_2.1.2_bugfree.esp12  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp13  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp14  Symphony of Violence.esp15  AmbientTownSounds.esp16  Distant Chapel Bells.esp17  LightsOut.esp18  Chapel Tithe.esp19  P1DseeYouSleep.esp1A  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp1B  SoT_Holiday.esp1C  Tamriel VWD v0.5.esp1D  Living Economy.esp1E  Living Economy - Items.esp1F  Cutthroat Merchants.esp20  Crowded Roads.esp  [Version 2.0]21  FF_Real_Thirst.esp22  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.1]23  DLCHorseArmor.esp24  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]25  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]26  DLCOrrery.esp27  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]28  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]29  Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 2.0]2A  DLCVileLair.esp2B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2C  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]2D  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp2E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]30  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.11]31  DLCSpellTomes.esp32  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]33  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp34  Adonnays Klassische Waffen.esp35  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp36  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp37  RealSwords - Bosmer LO-NPC.esp38  RealSwords - Breton LO-NPC.esp39  RealSwords - Goblin.esp3A  RealSwords - Khajiit LO-NPC v1.3.esp3B  RealSwords - Nord LO-NPC SI.esp3C  RealSwords - Orc LO-NPC v1.0.esp3D  RealSwords - Redguard LO-NPC.esp3E  NV Imperial Guard Horse Armour.esp3F  DLCThievesDen.esp40  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]41  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]42  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.2]43  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]44  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]45  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]46  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]47  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]48  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]49  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]4A  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]4B  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]4C  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.8b5]4D  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]50  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.5.5b3]51  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]52  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]53  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]54  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]55  Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]56  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]57  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]58  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]5A  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]5B  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5C  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5D  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5E  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5F  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]60  Creatures Alive v1.3.esp61  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]62  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]63  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]64  kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp65  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]66  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]67  FineWeapons for OOO.esp68  RustyItems for OOO.esp69  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]6A  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]6B  cyrodiil transportation network 1.3 wz.esp6C  Akaviri Imports.esp6D  hackdirtabyss.esp6E  JADImperialApartments01Temple.esp6F  JADImperialApartments02Temple.esp70  JADImperialApartments03Temple.esp71  Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp72  Corpse_Kvatch.esp73  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]74  NPCs Alive - Faregyll Inn.esp75  thievery.esp76  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp77  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.4]78  za_bankmod.esp79  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp7A  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]7B  SM Plugin Refurbish - 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EDIT- Darkdreaming, there is a progress bar for RL? I have yet to see one.

It could be Living Economy. It tries to make your Mercantile skill progress faster when you trade expensive items, but that feature is broken and can lead to big leaps in your mercantile skill.

Try exchanging it for Enhanced Economy.

hmm, ill consider that. guess the enhanced one is the one you mad since its in ur sig afterall.

but now that i think about it, i never once sold anything. i mean i literally got out of the tunnel and ran around for about half an hour killing random deer and stuff for leather and stuff and BAM i was level 9.

Yes there is! I have in my game! But I think you have to manually copy/paste some .xml file from somewhere.

Are you using DarNified UI or Dark-DarNified UI ? I think it involves something with that. I remember it was a very small and smiple thing to do. Some XML file copy/pasting or so. I'll check later at home and come back here. You may find some mention in the RL readme about it, I don't remember exactly... anyway I'll be back in like 2 hours or so.

Ah, ill have to look into that! Thanks I am using Darnified UI. I will take a look through the readme for both the realistic leveling and the UI one and see what I can find.

TheNiceOne, I have been looking at that economy enhanced mod of yours... and from what I can see it sounds really nice. I have already downloaded it and ready to install it but I am curious as to exactly how different it is to LE. I honestly didnt get to play long enough to even go into the city to start bartering. Didnt even get into a town before I hit level 9 and i was like CRAP, got to exit game and fix this crap. lol


EDIT- Oh, could the progress mod have anything to do with this? I had it turned on for a short while and then later disabled it but I wasnt even out of the starting tunnel when I removed it.

Ok, I hated to do this but, I just uninstalled all my mods and I am going to reinstall them again. (assuming uninstall on Wrye Bash is really uninstalling)

Ill see what happens now, as I think I also had alot of disorganized clutter.