Really poor FPS in Elsweyr Anequina mod! : IV - Oblivion

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:31 am

24 Streamline 2.1.esp

You should update Streamline to 3.1 and also use the 3.1 patch. 2.1 had several issues that are fixed in 3.1.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:19 pm

And Bashed Patched should be loading at very bottom , with Streamline loading after that and TWMP_Tamriel_Ingame_ Map.esp

being the very last mod.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:23 am

24 Streamline 2.1.esp

You should update Streamline to 3.1 and also use the 3.1 patch. 2.1 had several issues that are fixed in 3.1.

Thanks! And now I may have realised something as well! As you see, I do have streamline 2.1 as well as Oblivion Stutter Remover! My Oblivion stutter remover's configuration settings is set up now like this!

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Master = {
_comment = You can turn on or off each distinct feature from here.
bManageFPS = 1
bHookCriticalSections = 1
bHookHashtables = 1
bReplaceHeap = 1
bLogToConsole = 0
bFix64Hertz = 1
bFlushLog = 1
iSchedulingResolution = 1
iMainHookPoint = 1
}
FPS_Management = {
_comment = Basic FPS stuff, switches to slow-motion on low FPS; in the past this has occaisonally produced bugs like the NPCs-dropping-dead issue; the issues are believed to be fixed but if you suspect you are having related problems you can try disabling bAllowSlowMotion which is the main suspect for any problems relating to FPS management
bAllowSlowMotion = 0
MaximumFPS = 30
MinimumFPS = 20
iSmoothFrames = 0
iSmoothMode = 0
iSleepExtra = 2
bFPSConsoleSPAM = 0
iSchedulingParanoia = 1
iHardMaxFrametime = 200
}
CriticalSections = {
_comment = CS stuff helps both Oblivion and Fallout significantly
_comment = most of the benefit comes from the Renderer+0x180 suppression (see overrides below)
_comment = modes: 1=vanilla, 2=fair, 3=stuttering, 5=suppressed, 6=prioritize-main-thread, 7=deprioritize-main-thread
bEnableProfiling = 0
bEnableMessages = 1
bUseOverrides = 1
iDefaultMode = 2
iDefaultSpin = 1000
iStutterLevel = 4
}
Heap = {
_comment = Heap replacement can produce MAJOR improvements in performance on Oblivion, only moderate improvements on Fallout
_comment = It crashes instantly on Fallout, is moderately buggy on Oblivion
_comment = Algorithms: 1=FastMM4 (requires external dll), 2=Microsoft (slow on XP), 3=SimpleHeap1, 5=ThreadHeap2
iHeapAlgorithm = 5
bEnableProfiling = 0
iHeapSize = 450
bEnableMessages = 0
}
Hashtables = {
_comment = This stuff is still new.
_comment = The dynamic resizing option may still be buggy.
bAllowDynamicResizing = 0
bUseOverrides = 0
bEnableProfiling = 0
bEnableMessages = 1
iHashtableResizeScale1 = 2
iHashtableResizeScale2 = 4
iHashtableResizeDelay = 20
}
OverrideList = {
CriticalSection = {
CallerAddress = 0x701748
comment = Renderer+0x180, recommendation=suppress (mode 5)
Mode = 5
}
CriticalSection = {
ObjectAddress = 0xB32B80
comment = MemoryHeap CS, recommendation=stutter (mode 3)
Mode = 3
Spin = 1500
}
CriticalSection = {
CallerAddress = 0x70172A
comment = Renderer+0x80, recommendation=???
}
CriticalSection = {
ObjectAddress = 0xB3FA00
comment = Unknown4, recommendation=???
}
}

So do you think that both Oblivion Stutter Remover and Streamline version 2.1 both having been installed in my data folder may have been the thing that may have produced the bad FPS issues in certain areas of my modded game?

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:05 am

Did not know about that one! Well, here's my load order so far! I'm not sure what would be the best load order to help with performance!

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  Toaster Says Share v3.esm03  DLCShiveringIsles.esp04  Catsuit.esp05  Collectible T-Shirts V2.1.esp06  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp07  pale_rider's Hats.esp08  XSPipeMod.esp  [Version 1.2]09  HGEC_BodyGlove.esp0A  DukeCity.esp0B  NewSheothManor.esp0C  Nascosto Isles 3.esp0D  Windfall.esp0E  Knights.esp0F  The Lost Spires.esp10  Tamriel.esp11  ElsweyrAnequina.esp12  TWMP_Valenwood_Elsweyr.esp13  TWMP_Summerset.esp14  TWMP_Hammerfell.esp15  TWMP_HighRock.esp16  TWMP_Skyrim.esp17  TWMP_Morrowind.esp18  TWMP_BlackMarsh.esp19  MidasSpells.esp1A  Seph's new animations.esp1B  actors_in_charge.esp1C  ActorsInMadness.esp1D  ActorsInEmotions.esp1E  77_Umpa_Animation.esp1F  shinyEmotions.esp20  _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp21  TSS Custom Companion  Template.esp22  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp23  Bashed Patch, 0.esp24  Streamline 2.1.esp25  Paris Hilton.esp26  Lindsay Lohan.esp27  Jessica Biel.esp28  Black Beard Races.esp29  Black Goatee Races.esp2A  Black Mustache Races.esp2B  Black Viking Beard Races.esp2C  Black Wizard Beard Races.esp2D  Blonde Beard Races.esp2E  Blonde Goatee Races.esp2F  Blonde Mustache Races.esp30  Blonde Viking Beard Races.esp31  Blonde Wizard Beard Races.esp32  Brown Beard Races.esp33  Brown Goatee Races.esp34  Brown Mustache Races.esp35  Brown Viking Beard Races.esp36  Brown Wizard Beard Races.esp37  Gray Beard Races.esp38  Gray Goatee Races.esp39  Gray Mustache Races.esp3A  Gray Viking Beard Races.esp3B  Gray Wizard Beard Races.esp3C  Red Beard Races.esp3D  Red Goatee Races.esp3E  Red Mustache Races.esp3F  Red Viking Beard Races.esp40  Red Wizard Beard Races.esp41  BKMask.esp42  Dremora Mod 1.00.esp43  AAAEmptyRoom.esp44  Guitar ENG.esp45  Guitar ITA.esp46  77_Umpa_Disco.esp47  TWMP_Tamriel_Ingame_ Map.esp

are you using BOSS? it doesnt look like it at all. I'd suggest dwonloading it and the latest master list and running it, it will probably increase your performance!

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:49 am

are you using BOSS? it doesnt look like it at all. I'd suggest dwonloading it and the latest master list and running it, it will probably increase your performance!

Some of the .esp's are new, though (Tamriel.esp, and all the TWMP_providence name.esp's), so BOSS most likely doesn't know about them yet and will end up loading them as unknowns and put them last as a result! So those ones I have to put in proper order via OBMM in the order the Author recommends!

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:41 am

but alot of other things dont look sorted at all... example streamline and bashed patch are way to high in the load order that cant be from boss

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:43 pm

And Bashed Patched should be loading at very bottom , with Streamline loading after that and TWMP_Tamriel_Ingame_ Map.esp

being the very last mod.

So those three should look like this in this order?

other mods
Bashed Patch
Streamline
TWMP_Tamriel_Ingame_Map

or like this?

other mods
Streamline
Bashed Patch
TWMP_Tamriel_Ingame_Map

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:59 pm

top one should be correct. be sure to BOSS your load order though before you rebuild your patch. if the above LO is what BOSS spits out download the latest masterlist.txt and install that and run er again. then rebuild your bashed patch and that should help alot

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:54 pm

One thing I have confirmed in Orcrest is the large palm trees. The models used for those have extremely high polygon counts on them and there are several in the open section of the city. Getting two or more on screen at once causes problems. Those models really need someone savvy with Blender to come along and do some trimming to reduce the problem. Once those are fixed, Orcrest would be perfectly fine.

Hello, I have investigated this large-palm-tree-slowdown issue and have reduced the models down to 20% their original size. The originals were insanely high poly (~15,000) and the new ones are only ~2,800. And the filesize dropped from 497kb to 87kb.

The bad news is for me I get almost no performance improvement...just about 1 FPS...but then again I have a GeForce 480. Anyway...the good news is there's almost zero visible difference between the two. I'm also including a middle version that reduces the trees down to 45% just for kicks...

Anyway...Orcrest for me was about 40 FPS except one spot that dropped to 25 FPS, so maybe my system isn't a good test.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6YMBALGJ. I won't post it on Nexus until I get permission and it gets tested to see if it helps much...

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:13 pm

top one should be correct. be sure to BOSS your load order though before you rebuild your patch. if the above LO is what BOSS spits out download the latest masterlist.txt and install that and run er again. then rebuild your bashed patch and that should help alot

Okay! But how does one go about rebuilding their patch? That part I don't understand! What utility do I need to rebuild my patch?

And, also, here's my new load order!

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  Toaster Says Share v3.esm03  DLCShiveringIsles.esp04  Catsuit.esp05  Collectible T-Shirts V2.1.esp06  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp07  pale_rider's Hats.esp08  XSPipeMod.esp  [Version 1.2]09  HGEC_BodyGlove.esp0A  AAAEmptyRoom.esp0B  DukeCity.esp0C  NewSheothManor.esp0D  Nascosto Isles 3.esp0E  Windfall.esp0F  Knights.esp10  The Lost Spires.esp11  Tamriel.esp12  ElsweyrAnequina.esp13  TWMP_Valenwood_Elsweyr.esp14  TWMP_Summerset.esp15  TWMP_Hammerfell.esp16  TWMP_HighRock.esp17  TWMP_Skyrim.esp18  TWMP_Morrowind.esp19  TWMP_BlackMarsh.esp1A  MidasSpells.esp1B  Seph's new animations.esp1C  actors_in_charge.esp1D  ActorsInMadness.esp1E  ActorsInEmotions.esp1F  77_Umpa_Animation.esp20  shinyEmotions.esp21  _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp22  Black Beard Races.esp23  Brown Beard Races.esp24  Blonde Beard Races.esp25  Gray Beard Races.esp26  Red Beard Races.esp27  Blonde Viking Beard Races.esp28  Red Viking Beard Races.esp29  Gray Wizard Beard Races.esp2A  Brown Goatee Races.esp2B  Brown Mustache Races.esp2C  Blonde Goatee Races.esp2D  Black Viking Beard Races.esp2E  Brown Viking Beard Races.esp2F  Gray Viking Beard Races.esp30  Black Goatee Races.esp31  Gray Goatee Races.esp32  Red Goatee Races.esp33  Blonde Mustache Races.esp34  Black Mustache Races.esp35  Gray Mustache Races.esp36  Red Mustache Races.esp37  Black Wizard Beard Races.esp38  Blonde Wizard Beard Races.esp39  Brown Wizard Beard Races.esp3A  Red Wizard Beard Races.esp3B  TSS Custom Companion  Template.esp3C  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp3D  Paris Hilton.esp3E  Lindsay Lohan.esp3F  Jessica Biel.esp40  BKMask.esp41  Dremora Mod 1.00.esp42  Guitar ENG.esp43  Guitar ITA.esp44  77_Umpa_Disco.esp45  Bashed Patch, 0.esp46  Streamline 3.1.esp47  TWMP_Tamriel_Ingame_ Map.esp

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:14 am

I've released the Palm Tree Reduced mod...pretty much everyone will benefit from it.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34939

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:44 am

Okay! But how does one go about rebuilding their patch? That part I don't understand! What utility do I need to rebuild my patch?

And, also, here's my new load order!

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  Toaster Says Share v3.esm03  DLCShiveringIsles.esp04  Catsuit.esp05  Collectible T-Shirts V2.1.esp06  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp07  pale_rider's Hats.esp08  XSPipeMod.esp  [Version 1.2]09  HGEC_BodyGlove.esp0A  AAAEmptyRoom.esp0B  DukeCity.esp0C  NewSheothManor.esp0D  Nascosto Isles 3.esp0E  Windfall.esp0F  Knights.esp10  The Lost Spires.esp11  Tamriel.esp12  ElsweyrAnequina.esp13  TWMP_Valenwood_Elsweyr.esp14  TWMP_Summerset.esp15  TWMP_Hammerfell.esp16  TWMP_HighRock.esp17  TWMP_Skyrim.esp18  TWMP_Morrowind.esp19  TWMP_BlackMarsh.esp1A  MidasSpells.esp1B  Seph's new animations.esp1C  actors_in_charge.esp1D  ActorsInMadness.esp1E  ActorsInEmotions.esp1F  77_Umpa_Animation.esp20  shinyEmotions.esp21  _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp22  Black Beard Races.esp23  Brown Beard Races.esp24  Blonde Beard Races.esp25  Gray Beard Races.esp26  Red Beard Races.esp27  Blonde Viking Beard Races.esp28  Red Viking Beard Races.esp29  Gray Wizard Beard Races.esp2A  Brown Goatee Races.esp2B  Brown Mustache Races.esp2C  Blonde Goatee Races.esp2D  Black Viking Beard Races.esp2E  Brown Viking Beard Races.esp2F  Gray Viking Beard Races.esp30  Black Goatee Races.esp31  Gray Goatee Races.esp32  Red Goatee Races.esp33  Blonde Mustache Races.esp34  Black Mustache Races.esp35  Gray Mustache Races.esp36  Red Mustache Races.esp37  Black Wizard Beard Races.esp38  Blonde Wizard Beard Races.esp39  Brown Wizard Beard Races.esp3A  Red Wizard Beard Races.esp3B  TSS Custom Companion  Template.esp3C  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp3D  Paris Hilton.esp3E  Lindsay Lohan.esp3F  Jessica Biel.esp40  BKMask.esp41  Dremora Mod 1.00.esp42  Guitar ENG.esp43  Guitar ITA.esp44  77_Umpa_Disco.esp45  Bashed Patch, 0.esp46  Streamline 3.1.esp47  TWMP_Tamriel_Ingame_ Map.esp

right click it in wrye bash, select rebuild patch and fill the form out

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:07 am

right click it in wrye bash, select rebuild patch and fill the form out

Okay, I just did that part! Now the really hard part comes as I right clicked the "Bashed Patch.esp" and clicked the "Rebuild Patch", it is showing me this long list of options of things that could be checkmarked. Which ones should I checkmark?

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:06 pm

well thats really up to you to figure out. I'd go through every option of rebuild patch and check every available mod. I'd also go through the tweak options and choose what you want there. then click build and let er build. This will also probably deactivate some mods, let wrye bash do that so your LO is smaller

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:31 am

@Brumbek: The trees at 20% helped immensely but it also looks like the big arena structure in the center is also contributing to FPS problems when it's on screen.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:44 pm

@Brumbek: The trees at 20% helped immensely but it also looks like the big arena structure in the center is also contributing to FPS problems when it's on screen.

I'm really glad to hear they helped! And thank you for letting me know about the big arena structure...I have hardly played Elsweyr at all so please keep letting me know about meshes that seem to be FPS killers. I'll get back to you on the arena once I figure out which mesh it is.

Also, I suppose those updated _far meshes really should go in RAEVWD Elsweyr addon. I'll check out other _far meshes too that might need optimizing. Let me know if any seem suspect to you as well. Thanks.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:33 am

There are a couple of rock statics that are used in the 10,000+ ranges. Open the construction set and delete the two trouble making rocks. This will improve the FPS outside tremendously with minimal visual collateral. Be sure to regenerate your distant land files after saving the plugin.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:58 pm

I'm really glad to hear they helped! And thank you for letting me know about the big arena structure...I have hardly played Elsweyr at all so please keep letting me know about meshes that seem to be FPS killers. I'll get back to you on the arena once I figure out which mesh it is.

Also, I suppose those updated _far meshes really should go in RAEVWD Elsweyr addon. I'll check out other _far meshes too that might need optimizing. Let me know if any seem suspect to you as well. Thanks.

It's the big arena base structure. The mesh has roughly 10,000 polys. No idea how efficient your method is, but it's worth a shot.

I'm already way ahead of you on the trees. I updated the RAEVWD pack moments ago, using the 20% poly trees, reduced even further. They're now about 1,000 polys each where before they were pushing 5K. That alone should prove to be an immense help for RAEVWD fans.

@crippknottick: RAEVWD doesn't do anything with the size 45 and 50 rocks you're talking about so deleting those rocks has no impact on RAEVWD performance. Regenerating LOD will not do anything.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:08 pm

It's the big arena base structure. The mesh has roughly 10,000 polys. No idea how efficient your method is, but it's worth a shot.

I'm already way ahead of you on the trees. I updated the RAEVWD pack moments ago, using the 20% poly trees, reduced even further. They're now about 1,000 polys each where before they were pushing 5K. That alone should prove to be an immense help for RAEVWD fans.

@crippknottick: RAEVWD doesn't do anything with the size 45 and 50 rocks you're talking about so deleting those rocks has no impact on RAEVWD performance. Regenerating LOD will not do anything.

Perfect timing for what I'm about to ask. I just updated BAIN packages for both Elsweyr-Anequina and RAEVWD_Elsweyr-Anequina to include Brumbek's reduced DatePalms and their RAEVWD equivalents. I'd already noticed the far_nif redundancy so deleted the large Brumbek far_nifs in favor of the smaller RAEVWD versions. Now the question.

In the past I've always used the entire RAEVWD_Elsweyr-Anequina package EXCEPT for trees, which I left out for performance reasons (as mentioned in the download readme). With DatePalms now dramatically reduced in size (I'm gonna try the Brumbek 80% reduction in addition to the reduced far_nifs) does this still apply, or is RAEVWD tree FPS reduction and resource usage now negligible?

-Decrepit-

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:43 pm

The tree resource usage should be much better, though because these trees were not made as Speedtree objects, they'll still incur more of a hit than if we were dealing with a flat billboard. From the date palms alone, you'll be saving roughly 270,000 polygons across the entire province. It's not earth shattering, but for some it will make a huge difference.

Rocks are probably the larger burden now, but there's not much to be done as those are already as low poly as they'll get without destroying the basic shapes.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:53 pm

It's the big arena base structure. The mesh has roughly 10,000 polys.

Well I looked at ArenaBase.nif. I assume that's it. It's 7580 polygons total plus 1580 for collision. I must say whoever designed it did an AWESOME job. It's extremely efficient and optimized and looks great...I can't do much with it because any reduction would deform it...I mean I could start removing parts like some of the spikes, but that would be very noticeable. I'm surprised it hurts performance so much.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:27 pm

Well unless there's something defective hiding behind or around it, I can't come up with any other reason. At least the palm trees aren't making it a further degradation on things now. Perhaps an NPC or creature in the area is causing undo stress and they happen to be in line with the arena?

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:51 pm

Is it possible that the LOD files for Corinthe could be optimized? Looking at the city from a distance causes heavy slowdown on my machine, which seems odd to me because even with City Architecture RAEVWD I don't get any slowdown from looking at any other cities.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:50 pm

They already have been in the RAEVWD package. There isn't much else that can be done to bring them down any further than they are without deforming them.

» Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:57 am

Pity. What's so engine intensive about them anyway?