Reasons for or against riding Dragons

Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:00 pm

first off let me ask this question...how old are you? and how old are the others who want this feature. if your answer is below 14 then go play with yourself.
the reason why there should never be this option is because this isn't magic pony's online. you don't get a magical staff and get to ride a pig with wings. this is a game where you don't beat things into submission, this is a game where you beat things till they crap blood out of there eyes.
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Hope Greenhaw
 
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:22 am

Where would I park it?


Anywhere you want, obviously. Who's going to say no?
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:02 pm

Technical Limitations. The major cities are on a separate world space. If you could mount dragons then you could fly over the walls into the main world space version of the city, lacking in NPCs buildings are only distant land props etc.

Well I don't like unopened cities. This is an argument against dragons. Levitation's out for a reason.

This isn't going to happen, there isn't even a chance with the cities closed. So stop asking.
There will be mods. There are dragon mount mods for oblivion so there is guaranteed to be some for Skyrim.
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Jennifer Rose
 
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:55 am

Double post sorry. No idea how it happened.
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Miguel
 
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:09 pm

And you can add cheesy, hackneyed, and Disneytastic to the roll of honour.
The dragons are returning in numbers, heralds of the end of time, the coming of Alduin the World Eater. Proud, powerful, and ferociously intelligent, of course one will give you a ride back to town so you can sell all that bandit armour.

Yeah I agree.
The thing about TES dragons is that they are very intelligent and have been more of a civilized race rather than a type of beast in the history of TES.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:47 am

If you yourself wer ea dragon, and a friend of yours was in mortal danger or was on an important vital quest that time was of the essence, you wouldn't help them however you could?

You mean catch him and fly away? of course.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:50 pm

meh I don't care really

its just too gimmicky :P

cause it will be used as a transport and not part of the story like Drakan for example (if u know the game then ur a true gamer :P)
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:27 am

And you can add cheesy, hackneyed, and Disneytastic to the roll of honour.
The dragons are returning in numbers, heralds of the end of time, the coming of Alduin the World Eater. Proud, powerful, and ferociously intelligent, of course one will give you a ride back to town so you can sell all that bandit armour.

This. Dragon riding works in some universes, mostly because they are built around the concept. TES is not. Dragons are essentially demigods, highly intelligent and independent (when not hateful of) humans. Riding them mundanely would feel weird. Having one pick you up in its claws to save you from mortal danger might work, but no Eragon stuff here kthx.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:26 am

It's probably something that will be ridiculously easy to mod in seeing as Oblivion had a mod for dragon mounts, and that game didn't even have dragons.

As for it being in the original game, I wouldn't want it. Way too goofy.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:45 am

Reasons against:

  • Map is far too small for it. Walking around on foot with moutains everywhere, the world will feel big. Flying from one end to the other in seconds, the world feels tiny.
  • Dragons should be an intelligent race, not animals you can ride around on like horses.



I agree with your first point, but disagree on your second. Yes, I do believe that riding dragons would take away the sense of scale you will get from having to traverse or go around mountains. This is a similar reason to why I will not ride a horse until I have both seen most of the map AND played a substantial amount of time.

To address your second point, just because dragons are intelligent creatures does not mean we should not be able to ride them. It has been stated that not all dragons are evil, and this implies that we may team up with the more friendly kind against Alduin. So, dragons as intelligent does not necessarily rule out riding them. Now, in my opinion, I don't think there will be any riding dragons, but I'm just saying, dragon intelligence does not rule it out, especially if you've read any of the Eragon/Inheritance series.

I have read a lot of comments on these forums stating that because dragon riding is in World of Warcraft, we shouldn't be able to in Elder Scrolls. But that's like saying that games should not use ideas from other games. But, I think the question should be whether you like the gameplay mechanics in another game such as WoW. Jobs is one great idea that has been taken from games like these. If developers did not take inspiration from other games, we would not now have jobs in Skyrim.

My opinion on dragon mounts is that we SHOULD NOT have them, because of the world size.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:52 am

I would hate to ride dragons, it would completely ruin the animosity to them if you "tamed" one to be your mount.

The only reason I see for it, im pretty sure its somewhere in the lore, but that was under different circumstances...
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:38 am

I think riding a dragon is too high fantasy for ES. And just because you can kill something doesn't mean you can make it your mount; I think dragons would rather die. Plus, having a flying mount would make traveling way to easy.

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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:22 am

I agree with your first point, but disagree on your second. Yes, I do believe that riding dragons would take away the sense of scale you will get from having to traverse or go around mountains. This is a similar reason to why I will not ride a horse until I have both seen most of the map AND played a substantial amount of time.

To address your second point, just because dragons are intelligent creatures does not mean we should not be able to ride them. It has been stated that not all dragons are evil, and this implies that we may team up with the more friendly kind against Alduin. So, dragons as intelligent does not necessarily rule out riding them. Now, in my opinion, I don't think there will be any riding dragons, but I'm just saying, dragon intelligence does not rule it out, especially if you've read any of the Eragon/Inheritance series.

I have read a lot of comments on these forums stating that because dragon riding is in World of Warcraft, we shouldn't be able to in Elder Scrolls. But that's like saying that games should not use ideas from other games. But, I think the question should be whether you like the gameplay mechanics in another game such as WoW.



Forget Eragon. Read the Dragonlance books.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:22 pm

I'm so tired of seeing people try to use LORE or anything to say it's wrong, when it's in fact NOT.

In TES Lore dragons have been ridden, both with their will, and AGAINST their will.


Do you honestly not think, as an intelligent being, that the dragons that are friendly would not HELP people if they could save or help in some way by allowing the human to ride them? of course they would. If you yourself wer ea dragon, and a friend of yours was in mortal danger or was on an important vital quest that time was of the essence, you wouldn't help them however you could?

Dragons in TES lore are INTELLIGENT beings, they aren't generic "I'm gonan EAT CHO, GET IN MAH BELLY" style of dragons nor are they all goody two shoes. Just like humans, they can be good, bad, inbetween, etc.


There are accounts in TES lore of dragons helping people, of people riding them (rarely, but it has happened, in battles, etc).

Example of a dragon:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nafaalilargus

This is indeed correct, but due to the setting surrounding the return of the dragons many, if not most, will have an evil intent. It have been implied that some will not be hostile, but in general their return is a sign of the end of the world. I think Todd mentioed that they are treathed as the enemy.
Only situation I could see the player ride a dragon would be scripted in a part of the main quest and then you would only be a passager, much like the Vertibird ride in FO3.
Also: The gameplay mechanics we know about will not support this. Most notably is the separate celled cities and "small" map.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:49 am

I can most likely kill giant spider so should I be able to ride them also?
I find the idea of flying around the world on a dragon silly and hard to imagine how it would be implemented and feel right.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:41 am

I vote no, mainly because I think it makes the game too easy. It would make you too powerful. You could scale the map in seconds. It defies the point of Dragonborn being a dragon slayer. Also, dragons are hostile creatures, and though "not every dragon is out to get you" the few that aren't hostile are most likely to be linked to quests/events, so making mounts out of them would just make them feel insignificant.

"Oh look, bunch of enemies. Time to pull out my swor.....wait, nah i'll just get my dragon to burn them to a crisp and fly out of their reach."
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:49 am

I can most likely kill giant spider so should I be able to ride them also?
I find the idea of flying around the world on a dragon silly and hard to imagine how it would be implemented and feel right.

This is a much better idea than riding dragons.
I vote this.

But back on topic slightly. I find the idea of riding something that I am born to kill difficult. Its like with orcs and horses, they either ride them or eat them, not both, and we've already decided to kill them. Maybe we should be able to eat dragons? I bet it taste delectable...
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:57 am

Everyone would like to ride a dragon, but just think of that challenges that presents development wise. They almost cut horses cuz they couldn't get it to feel right, flying just makes it more complicated. Any even if they were to put the work into it(which I'd rather they put towards the game itself), most people wouldn't be happy with riding dragons unless you can fight on one, and ride every dragon. Yet again, Bethesda tried it, didn't fit.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:09 am

I'm sorry but I have to ask, is this a joke? Why the hell would anyone want to ride a dragon? In what way would that serve as a good gameplay mechanic in the game?
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:52 am

I sure do not like the idea of riding a dragon in Skyrim. Maybe it's ok for some other game but not for Skryim. I want the dragon to be formidable and not something to be tamed and used as a mount or a pet. I want them to be incredibly scary beyond belief and be the big boss battles that are going to make this game legendary. I don't want the dragons to become cutesy with cute names and stuff like that. imho. Now I'll go back and read the thread.

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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:21 am

My reason for saying no: it's not worth it considering what would have to be taken out for this to be in the game.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:40 am

Dragon riding is the biggest cliche in the book of fantasy cliches. I'm all for Bethesda taking a different approach to them
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:34 am

Dragon riding is the biggest cliche in the book of fantasy cliches. I'm all for Bethesda taking a different approach to them


I think the hero fighting and slaying dragons is an even bigger cliche. It's practically the hallmark of a great hero.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:18 am

No thx im already concerned they may make dragons whipping boys to our charicter dragons arent to be triffeld with .I hope there never comes a point in this game where you see a dragon in the distance in this game and dont feel like it very well could be youre end.I have a hard time invisoning a creature under an imortal that should cause as much fear as a dragon.For one i hope im watching the cliffs and the skys the whole game to avoid being picked up and dropped to death like that gaint was. Dragons should be the charicters eqaul even at the highest levels a pack mule they are not.
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Post » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:08 am

Doesnt fit the game.

They are too noble.

Too intelligent, which means untrustworthy.

Too small map.

They are the enemy. You do not ride your enemy.

Too comfortable, breaks the game.

Makes the game look gimicky and desperate.




I don't actually care too much about it in general, it's more how they would've made it work in the game though.

For example, I don't like the idea of being able to fast-travel at any time, anywhere, for free. But I do like the idea of being able to fast travel by dragon, late in the game when you've befriended a dragon which I know we will be able to at some point. I do hate the idea of having a dragon in your pocket that you can pull out at any time and ride him like a flying mount, that would ruin the game instantly.

Another idea I could enjoy was if at some late point in the game a befriended dragon flied you to some kind of a hidden dragon lair inaccessable by foot, to meet a big boss/the ultimate boss. This would be more like a fixed flight path where you either can't control the dragon at all, or it's a movie. I wouldnt mind that at all, as long as they dont overdo it.
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