"AGGGGH" is just a noise. When people make a noise like that, often it doest reflect their speaking voice and therefore doesn't give much away about their personality other than whether they're male or female. The dragon shouts may be in a different language... but they're still shouts nonetheless, ie. speaking. They do give something away about the personality, and there will be longer shouts than "FUS DOH RAH" as you call it. In the longer shouts, you'll probably even be able to tell from the accent which country the voice-actor is from.




As I said, shouting is essentially just speaking loudly. Even when someone speaks in a foreign language, it still gives you an impression of their personality, whether it's the accent, tone, bravado, etc.

Shortest shouts? That's a three word shout. Three words is the maximum.

Fus Roh and Dah aren't exactly long words.

I still see them being the same thing. Dagonshouts are said in a fictional language. And when I heard "AGGGGH" in Oblivion, because of the sound, I knew that the actor wasn't from my country, for example, so that about the "accent" (I don't know if I can call accent to something heard in a noise...) is nothing new. And the only thing I can know is just that they are from a foreign country, I can't know if the guy is selfish, kind, proud, if he likes chocolate... I can't know his personality.

Thanks for posting. Hadn't seen the article yet. And yeah I agree. IMO Skyrim has a possibility of the single greatest game ever made and will be my personal favourite without a doubt :yes:

In a lot of people's opinions.

Still a third tier max shout.

Even more favourite than the one whose main character is the guy from your avatar?

I'm not that much of a fan of Metal Gear (yeah yeah sue me). I love Snake and the story is usually very good but it's not really my kind of gameplay. I just like the avatar

Rating apples against apples I make the assessment based on two factors: the amount of enjoyment I get from an hour of play (compared to other games of same price) and the amount of said hours accumulated. It was crystal clear from the first play-through of Civ3 that the game was barely beta tested at all. I put maybe 20 hours into it and threw it out. Those hours consumed, when compared to other games of the same price weren't as enjoyable (read: enjoyable at all). Can't remember a single positive thing I enjoyed about Civ3. Civ5 was much farther on the "pleasurable" scale, but ultimately came up short as well.

If you're a Civ3 or Civ5 fan, then fine. Nothing wrong with that. The ultimate point of the post is to expose the futility of a dogmatic position on the game's quality BEFORE its even released.

Nah, I won't sue you. MGS is probably my favourite game series along with TES. Snake rocks soooo much!

I can say the same thing. It's all opinion. Oblivion and Civ 5 are sitting on metacritic with 2 of the overall best ratings. Subjective much?

try to visualize betty boop yelling ARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!! or maybe elmer fudd. no matter what voice is used (if any at all), some will not like it, others will. :shrug:

Well from the "FUS ROH DAH" shout, I got the impression from the bravado and accent in the voice of a proud American.

Also, you say that the shouts don't give much away about personality, but can you really imagine the exact same shout coming out of a Khajiit or an Orc? If they change the voice actors for different races, that'll pretty much prove my point that it's not just a shout but a voice (however brief it may be) tailored to fit the personality they imagine the player should have.

Mmmm... I can't argue with that, if that's your impression. I don't know, I just see him as a Nord, I cannot see him as a proud american. For me, he is just a Nord with and impressive voice.

Not really. Its objectively true that a lot of people share my opinion about Civ5 and Oblivion.

As I said to another poster, if you're a fan of Oblivion or Civ5, then that's ok. I don't think any less of you. The primary point was the futility of making dogmatic determination of a game's quality before anyone has even played it. I'm certain that's something you've experienced yourself, even if you haven't experienced it on games like Oblivion, Civ3, and Civ5, like I have.

Well, what you have said it's objectively true. But watching at the critics and ratings, it's objectively true that even more people - much more people - disagree with you about that.

Same here :shrug:

Me three.

Of the people who's opinion matter to me, more have agreed with me. Are you a Civ3/5 or an Oblivion fan? That's great. I'm happy for you. I never said everyone agrees with me.

The point of the whole post (and I'll think you'll agree with me on this, if you disagree with my specific examples) is that determining that "Game X is going to be the best EVAR" is a pretty irrational before anyone's actually played the game.

It's not about what I am. Actually, I don't play Civ, but the critics and ratings say it's a good game. Then, maybe if I play it I find that I don't like it, but objectively most people think it's good. I hate FF XII, however it's a fact that a lot of people like it, whose opinion I don't share.

Anyway, you are right about the second paragraph; we can't know if it is going to be the best game EVAH. But people are bored, you know... and at least they can say if they like the revealed features.

Ok, so what if the person playing doesn't want their character to have an impressive voice with lots of bravado? What if they picture their character as being more softer spoken? Or what if they picture their character having a deeper voice? Or what if the player likes the appearance of a certain race like the Nords, but wants to imagine their character as being something completely different?

Having a voice-acted player-character ruins that sense of imagination, even if the voice-acting is limited to shouts. It's basically one step forward towards full voice-acting, giving the character a set name, a set background story, set appearance etc. like Red Dead Redemption for instance. Wrong direction to head in for the Elder Scrolls series.

Adrenaline.

1) That's fine. Though I don't know how you can't be just a little excited to see a fully realized dragon in a game.
2) The generic grunts in Morrowind and Oblivion were exactly the same as any other member of the same race in either game. That does far more to hurt role playing than shouts unique to the player.
3) Yeah, Oblivion's forests were neat, until you realized it was almost all forest and most of it was indistinguishable from the rest.

Forums are known for the vocal minority and complainers, and dont always represent actual gaming opinion.

- Factual data like sales and scores show the opposite. You have no such facts for your arguement. There is nothing to indicate most people thought CiV or Oblivion "weren't worth the price".