Yes we are. We keep on buying the games.

I'm with the people who think that other people are way overreacting to the little problems in Skyrim. I for one am glad they released it on time, and I've been able to play it for the past 3 weeks. Does it need some "polish", fixing occasional crashes, ui frustrations, etc? Yeah, absolutely. Is the game a "total mess"? Heck no. It's a great game, and shows that gamesas has been working very hard for the past 3 years or so developing this game. Elder Scrolls games are enormously complex, and eventually the company has to come to a decision whether to release, and then keep working on it, or keep it in "Duke-Nukem-Forever" mode and never finish the game.

Kotaku is a trash news site anyway. They are to gaming what FOX news is to the real world.

^this

the fact is you can (like me) play for 60 hours and experience only a single crash to desktop and none of the other bugs.

some things are RNG and may effect your playstyle more than it did mine.

They made the changes, ran the current build and everything seemed fine. They had no reason to stack resists and run up to a dragon to make sure they were registering properly because it had nothing to do with their build changes.

These are quick fixes; these patches are not going to be beta tested and they may have unforeseeable problems. It's inevitable, no one's going to get fired and you're just being dramatic. Bethesda only needs to be on top of these weird bugs as they happen; them happening isn't some kind of unusual failing.

If your patch breaks more things than it fixes you deserve some criticism.

Regression test suites have absolutely nothing to do with beta testing. With all due respect, you really don't know what you're talking about.

I know what regression testing is and it doesn't always find everything. Every big software developer releases buggy software and updates; where and when did you ever get it into your head that regression testing was the end of bugs? What pissy little applications do you work on that come out flawless with every update?

I agree people are overreacting, however
whoever saying thing like

"there will be bugs anyway, svck it up son!"

or

"It's players' fault not developer!"

is simply [censored]

^^^ This

I agree with him that you don't seem to know what you're talking about. But, carry on....

Just to ask something about the OP: How in the world is Arkham City a "bloody mess"? I bought it for the 360 and not only is it the best game of the year, it works flawlessly. It's the only game that can vie with Skyrim for Game Of The Year, although Mass Effect 3 probably would have been in the running had it come out this year.

Wait, so you're criticizing Bethesda because their game, containing hundreds of hours of content, has some bugs that need a little extra time to sort out, but you couldn't be bothered to take a few moments to correctly identify the source of the article you use to support your mere paragraph of criticism? Lay off the mead, son...

Do you come from Planet Naive? Was the buggy as hell FNV fixed? They have your money, job done

Non-responses like this usually come from people who aren't grasping the subject matter, so please elaborate.

Most methods of regression testing can and will miss a lot on complicated software, but it's fine if you want to pretend it's infallible and big companies only release buggy software because they think it's funny. It's also curious that some companies will beta test big patches when regression testing is 100% accurate. Stupid software developers; if only they would listen to the children on their forums.

That's just BS. Most of the game is strictly linear in terms of your involvement with it. nothing you do has any real impact on the world and quests and NPC's don't change actions based on what you do. They throw the occasional random event your way and that's about it. Huge it is, complex it is not. Certainly not even close to the complexity of an operating system

Bugs are a given, in development. You stop major bugs getting into production by doing comprehensive testing.

U mad bro? Ativan may be a good idea if you get this stressed over a game.

It's a huge world full of random interaction and a lot of it is based on where you are and what you've done. In contrast an MMO has a very basic set of interactions to code and is actually quite simple on a mechanical level; it's just that maintaining servers can be expensive. Operating systems are more complicated than both and regularly have far more complicated and devistating problems.

The point is this "complicated games shouldn't have bugs" delusion inflicting most of you is hilarious.

Title and subtitle is stupid, OP needs to change that [censored] or close this thread

Agreed. I play on Ps3, and I am not pulling my hair out over the crippling effects of larger save files. The game is best enjoyed in 2 hour sessions as opposed to 5 hours regardless of performance issues (I would know, I've done both. It actually enhances your experience to take breaks. Your mind is more fresh when you come back, and your reaction times as well as strategies are much better.). That is where most of the problem begins.

Even if they tone down the graphics and make items disappear from the world insanely fast, I will still be satisfied with the game.

... what?

When people make mistakes they deserve criticism. Just because you've done some things well does not mean you are allowed to screw up other things and have those mistakes go ignored. I'm not saying Skyrim is a bad game, I love the game but stop being a ignorant really devoted fan.

Constructive and INFORMED criticism is always important; Bethesda should be held accountable for their game. It's just all these kids with their "Software updates should never have bugs! Where my daddy works everyone would've been fired! WAH WAH! I don't know what I'm talking about!" that also can't be condoned.

Amen to that!

Developers know they can release a buggy mess for consumption and that people will buy it up just the same as if they had waited an extra 6 months to really fine tune everything. Getting this to change will more than likely require one of the following:

1) Massive social change in attitude concerning what an "acceptable" finished product is. (Highly unlikely)
2) Developers realizing that they're promoting bad game development practices and stopping it themselves. (Highly unlikely)
3) Enough developers screw over enough people and a smart developer decides to capitalize on gamers desperation for a polished/finished product. (Doubtful)

The DLC generation has killed any notion of what a "complete at release" game should be. Everyone expects games to be released prematurely and then to be patched/fixed/completed after they've already bought it. MOST gamers are willing to pay EXTRA for these things. Until these things change, gaming will only get worse and worse.