Recommended mods to go with SDR : IV

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:09 pm

Hello all,

Now that development on my SDR mod is winding down, I'm (finally) putting together my own load order to have my first run through of the game since I started working on the SDR project almost a year ago. March 1st will be the anniversary, and also the cut off point for all further development, as it's time to move on, and actually play the darn game.

I'm looking for recommendations of any mods, especially stealth related, that go well with SDR, as well as any particular settings you used to tweak the mods so that they would work well together. Pretty much any recommendations that help enhance the stealth experience, including stealth driven quests, etc. would be great - Dark Brotherhood Chronicles for example.

It's also not just for me, but also for the SDR web-site in the mod compatibility and recommendations section, which I feel is a bit sparse, and could use some more suggestions.

I gotta run to work, but I'll post my current load order later so that you all know what I'm currently working with.

saebel

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:32 pm

Have you looked at http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=35265?

» Wed May 09, 2012 5:10 am

Have you looked at http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=35265?

Yup. Already in my load order.

» Wed May 09, 2012 4:05 am

Hmm, I'm not sure what to add other than taking a survey of Running4Cover's List: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1093197-running4covers-list-of-stealth-mods-2nd-thread/page__fromsearch__1

Off the top of my head, I'd recommend Scrugg's Thieves Arsenal. It not only has nice tools but also some missions that require you to pretty much sneak to get the required items and no killing.

And then there's my mod, Stealth Wars, which actually has NPCs that hunt you down and sneaking to get to you. It should be compatible with your mod. I think the original idea I had behind the initial attack will be lost though. In other words, they'll be sneaking up to you until they get within combat range to attack. At that point, they obviously stop sneaking and rush you. The mods I originally recommended kept the alpha shades on the NPCs low for a few seconds after they started their attacks. Anyways, I'd actually like to know how well it'll play with SDR. I haven't yet tested them together. Keep in mind that Stealth Wars is intended for high level play.

EDIT: Holy cow! I must've had a really bad off-day for my grammar skills.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:00 pm

I'm currently putting together a load order built around T.I.E., Duke Patrick's melee, archery, and combat magic mods, and SDR. (For the first time ever, I was actually killed by the two rats at the beginning of the tutorial. Ha!) I'll be sure to drop in and let you know how it goes. (Oh, and plus Oblivion XP)

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:20 pm

I'm currently putting together a load order built around T.I.E., Duke Patrick's melee, archery, and combat magic mods, and SDR. (For the first time ever, I was actually killed by the two rats at the beginning of the tutorial. Ha!) I'll be sure to drop in and let you know how it goes. (Oh, and plus Oblivion XP)

I had similar ideas. Here's my current load order:
Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.2]02  MD_Saddle_Master.esm03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm04  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.1.2]05  Fundament.esm  [Version ision]06  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]07  UOPS Additional Changes.esp08  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]0B  USIPS Additional Changes.esp0C  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0D  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]0E  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.33]0F  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.2]++  Hear-Me-Not.esp  [Version 1.02]10  Rainbows.esp11  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3.2]12  WindowLightingSystem.esp13  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp14  BAKAdventurerTorch.esp15  Chapel Tithe.esp16  ImprovedSigns.esp17  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp18  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]19  Reznod_Mannequin.esp1A  SoT_Holiday.esp1B  Willful Resistance.esp1C  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]1D  BookTrackerOBSE.esp1E  Streamline 3.1.esp1F  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]20  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.9.3]21  DLCHorseArmor.esp22  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]23  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]24  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp25  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]26  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp27  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp28  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp29  DBShadowSet.esp++  Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp2A  DS Mage's Belt.esp2B  Elegant Vests.esp2C  Eternal Dragon Armor light.esp**  RTFemaleReplacerV12.esp2D  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp2E  MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp2F  MD Saddlebags v3.0 Alternative Trader Script.esp30  DLCThievesDen.esp31  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]32  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.5]33  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]34  TIE.esp  [Version 1.48]35  Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp36  GoldDaedricArmor.esp37  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp38  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp39  KvatchCastleMakeover.esp3A  Nascosto Isles 3.esp3B  All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]3C  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp3D  DLCFrostcrag.esp3E  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]3F  DLCFrostcragReborn.esp  [Version 1.4.0]40  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]41  BrumaMGRestored.esp42  BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp43  Knights.esp**  Knights - Book Jackets.esp44  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]45  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]46  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]47  xulTheHeath.esp48  XulEntiusGorge.esp49  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4A  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]4B  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4C  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]4D  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]4E  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4F  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]50  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]51  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]52  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]53  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]54  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]55  xulPantherRiver.esp56  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]57  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]58  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]59  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]5A  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5B  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp5C  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5D  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5E  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.4]5F  FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp60  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]61  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.2]62  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.0]63  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]64  Frostcrag Village.esp  [Version 1.0.7]65  DLCFrostcrag Reborn - Frostcrag Village Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]66  JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp67  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]68  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.1]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.1]69  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.1]++  Visually Realistic Deadly Lava.esp6A  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]6B  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]6C  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp6D  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.32 DT.esp6E  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]6F  kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp70  Side's Backpacks.esp  [Version 1.0]71  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]72  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 5.4.3]73  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp74  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.3]75  Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp  [Version 1.3]76  RealisticForceHigh.esp77  RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp78  HavokCollisionFix.esp79  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp7A  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]7B  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]7C  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]7D  Real Time Lockpicking Minigames.esp7E  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]7F  RenGuardOverhaul.esp80  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]81  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 7.3.5]82  Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp  [Version 7.1]83  Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp  [Version 4]84  Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp  [Version 5.9]85  Bundlement.esp  [Version ision]86  nGCD.esp87  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp88  JCN_AV Uncap.esp  [Version 1.01]89  Sneaking Detection Recalibrated.esp  [Version 4.2.0]8A  SDR Perks And Patches - Oblivion.esp  [Version 1.2.0]8B  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]8C  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]8D  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]8E  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]8F  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]90  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]91  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]92  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]93  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]94  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 1.0b]95  Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.esp96  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.1.2]97  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]98  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.1.2]99  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5]9A  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 5.1.2]9B  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 5.1.0]9C  Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 4.9.8]9D  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 5.0.0]9E  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.1.0]++  Better Cities - TIE Restricted Area.esp9F  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]++  Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp  [Version 4.9.5]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]A0  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3.2]A1  Bashed Patch, 0.espA2  Vanilla Weapon Stat Override.espA3  Vanilla Weapon Stat Override - SI.esp

» Wed May 09, 2012 5:06 am

I had similar ideas. Here's my current load order: Active Mod Files:

A2 Vanilla Weapon Stat Override.espA3 Vanilla Weapon Stat Override - SI.esp

You should use only the SI version. And better to load Duke Patrick's mods after Bashed Patch.
Other interesting mods for stealth characters:
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=32267
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=16882
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=32828 - good for stalking :biggrin:

http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=38466 - will scare you to death when you crawl for backstab and your victim suddenly starts to mutter, adds immersion to the world
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40392 - essential for everyone

» Wed May 09, 2012 8:11 am

Looking to enhance sneaking capabilities without changing the game much so that it's portable across any assassin, sneak and thief mod?
Detect LIfe and Night-eye Shader mod: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=36407
Caveat: It's one of my mods, so am biased towards it.

» Wed May 09, 2012 3:10 am

You should use only the SI version. And better to load Duke Patrick's mods after Bashed Patch.
Other interesting mods for stealth characters:
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=32267
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=16882
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=32828 - good for stalking :biggrin:

http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=38466 - will scare you to death when you crawl for backstab and your victim suddenly starts to mutter, adds immersion to the world
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40392 - essential for everyone

Okay, I'll check these out. Thanks!

Looking to enhance sneaking capabilities without changing the game much so that it's portable across any assassin, sneak and thief mod?
Detect LIfe and Night-eye Shader mod: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=36407
Caveat: It's one of my mods, so am biased towards it.

Downloaded. (It's actually on my recommended mod lists, I just hadn't actually downloaded it yet)

» Wed May 09, 2012 4:26 am

http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=5156 - the best quest mod for thieves
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=25462 - makes it more realistic wether crimes are noticed

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:40 pm

What is that Thieves Arsenal Patch you got there Saebel?

Also, doesn't Better Dungeons conflict with several big mods, such as Kragneir's Death Quest?

...Also, I edited my first post: had a really bad off day for grammar. Sorry about that. :blush:

» Wed May 09, 2012 6:27 am

Better Dungeons doesn't conflict with any major mods - I made sure of that myself. I know for a fact that it's compatible with FCOM, KDQ, TAS, and StarX VVR.

I'm surprised you don't have Cava Obscura, saebel.

Also, you should try Immersive Caves (removes those stupid doors from the cave entrances).

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:49 pm

Better Dungeons doesn't conflict with any major mods - I made sure of that myself. I know for a fact that it's compatible with FCOM, KDQ, TAS, and StarX VVR.

I'm surprised you don't have Cava Obscura, saebel.

Also, you should try Immersive Caves (removes those stupid doors from the cave entrances).

Better Dungeons looks pretty awesome. Assuming it works with Cava Obscura, is there a recommended install order? Or let BOSS handle conflicts in the load order?

» Wed May 09, 2012 4:57 am

Better Dungeons doesn't conflict with any major mods - I made sure of that myself. I know for a fact that it's compatible with FCOM, KDQ, TAS, and StarX VVR.

I'm surprised you don't have Cava Obscura, saebel. :biggrin:

Also, you should try Immersive Caves (removes those stupid doors from the cave entrances).

Hmm, according to the latest post on TESNexus on the comment section, there's 3 conflicts with KDQ that's been reported. And what about OWC-ND (I'd consider that a major mod)?

But yeah, BD does looks pretty awesome. Doesn't it already reduce lighting in dungeons though? Why would you need Cava Obscura if it does?

» Wed May 09, 2012 7:16 am

Better Dungeons is great. It works fine with Cava Obscura - it doesn't really touch the lighting levels (which cava does) just removes some of the ambient light sources. Best let BOSS handle the load order and tags.

I'll add a few suggestions for you based on your load order, but a lot of it comes down to personal preference:

Several of kuertee's mods. Notably, Battle Fatigue and Injuries works well with SDR. If you manage to wound an enemy without killing them, sometimes they get confused (I guess?) and lose track of you. Of course, with TIE, it could make it really tough on a low level character, as you'll be getting hurt a lot in the beginning. I also prefer his Horse Commands instead of MD Saddle bags (saddle bags are included, as well as other good stuff for keeping track of and controlling your horse).

I liked SoT Holidays, but at least for me if was buggy running it with Enhanced Economy. It adds a spell every time you activate a container (including corpses, merchants, etc) on the holidays. I got some weird game behavior (hangs and crashes in the worst cases, but fairly random) during those times so I stopped using it. Just a heads up in case you experience anything similar.

Also, Auto Update Leveled Items and Spells http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=39635 is an alternative to Quest Award Leveller that seems to work better.

I think you've already got HUD Status Bars - that's a must. You should also either turn music off, or add Immersive Combat Music http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=23545 so you don't know when something has spotted you and is charging up from behind.

I tend to use Conduit Magic with my stealthy archer-type characters. That and lots of alchemy. There are several good alchemy mods; Alchemy Advanced seems to be quite good. Cobl adds lots of ingredients good for poison-making among other things, if you like. So does my Skyrim Ingredients mod.

Also, you're using Visually Realistic Lava, which is very nice. If you're not using liquid water, I'd recommend Realistic Water http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37794, plus these blur shaders http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=23372. They go together quite nicely.

» Wed May 09, 2012 3:36 am

What is that Thieves Arsenal Patch you got there Saebel?

Something I stumbled across awhile ago created by the Nice One. It's in the http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=9655 optional files section.

Description:

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~ Thieves Arsenal Compatibility Patch 03.30.10 - README

+---------+
| About |
+---------+

This small patch addresses compatibility issues which may arise between Thieves Arsenal and other mods which use scripting to dynamically enable and disable the player's ability to attack with a weapon.

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| Usage |
+-------+

*REQUIRES* Thieves Arsenal.esp (not included)

If Thieves Arsenal is not installed, install it. Before launching the game, ensure that both the main Thieves Arsenal .esp and this patch .esp are enabled. If Thieves Arsenal is already installed, there is no need to clean your save or begin a new game.

+---------+
| Credits |
+---------+

scruggsywuggsy the ferret (Paul Connelly) - Thieves Arsenal
TheNiceOne - this patch; being nice.

+---------+
| Contact |
+---------+

p[dot]m[dot]conne[at]gmail[dot]com

» Wed May 09, 2012 6:53 am

http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=5156 - the best quest mod for thieves
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=25462 - makes it more realistic wether crimes are noticed

Nice. These look great!

Several of kuertee's mods. Notably,
Battle Fatigue and Injuries
Horse Commands instead of MD Saddle bags (saddle bags are included, as well as other good stuff for keeping track of and controlling your horse).
I liked SoT Holidays, but at least for me if was buggy running it with Enhanced Economy.
Also, Auto Update Leveled Items and Spells http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=39635 is an alternative to Quest Award Leveller that seems to work better.
I think you've already got HUD Status Bars - that's a must.
You should also either turn music off, or add Immersive Combat Music
I tend to use Conduit Magic with my stealthy archer-type characters.
That and lots of alchemy. There are several good alchemy mods; Alchemy Advanced seems to be quite good. Cobl adds lots of ingredients good for poison-making among other things, if you like. So does my Skyrim Ingredients mod.
If you're not using liquid water, I'd recommend Realistic Water http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37794, plus these blur shaders http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=23372. They go together quite nicely.

Good suggestions/information. I'll check them out.

HUD status bars are awesome. I actually have a suggested settings preference on the SDR website for the sneak icon. It doesn't give away when you are detected, only changing color depending on how much light is hitting you, and it is tucked away at the bottome left of the screen now, so it is much less obtrusive.

I have turned off music altogether and find it much more immersive. I got annoyed with music cues letting me know when I was in or out of combat before I knew I was in or out of combat. Get surprise attacked from behind is so much more fun.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:58 pm

Something I stumbled across awhile ago created by the Nice One. It's in the http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=9655 optional files section.

There is also Thieves Arsenal esp version without water arrows light triggers somewhere. As far as I can remember this mod alters only vanilla lights manually in cells so they can be turned off, and it doesn't work well with mods. So someone patched esp without those changes. I have it installed, but I don't remember where I got it, and I'm not sure whether it is needed either. Perhaps someone can shred a light on this isssue?

» Wed May 09, 2012 2:18 am

There is also Thieves Arsenal esp version without water arrows light triggers somewhere. As far as I can remember this mod alters only vanilla lights manually in cells so they can be turned off, and it doesn't work well with mods. So someone patched esp without those changes. I have it installed, but I don't remember where I got it, and I'm not sure whether it is needed either. Perhaps someone can shred a light on this isssue?

Yeah, I remember that. I skipped it because I don't use the water arrows anyways. Don't they make it so that the lights never come back on? In other words, once you water arrow a light, you'll never see it lit again.

» Wed May 09, 2012 1:57 am

Several of kuertee's mods. Notably, Battle Fatigue and Injuries works well with SDR. If you manage to wound an enemy without killing them, sometimes they get confused (I guess?) and lose track of you. Of course, with TIE, it could make it really tough on a low level character, as you'll be getting hurt a lot in the beginning. I also prefer his Horse Commands instead of MD Saddle bags (saddle bags are included, as well as other good stuff for keeping track of and controlling your horse).

Thanks for the recommendations of my mods, dreamed1! I appreciate it!
However, Battle fatigue and injuries do not affect their alert levels towards the PC. It could a consequence of the mod. If so, it was unintentional. The mod simply adds Attribute penalties if the actor receives a large amount of damage in a short time.

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:18 pm

Thanks for the recommendations of my mods, dreamed1! I appreciate it!
However, Battle fatigue and injuries do not affect their alert levels towards the PC. It could a consequence of the mod. If so, it was unintentional. The mod simply adds Attribute penalties if the actor receives a large amount of damage in a short time.

SDR creates penalties to detection based on health and fatigue levels. So I'm not sure if that makes a difference or not. I could, theoretically, tap into your mod (or visa versa), so that there could be specific consequences.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:01 pm

Hey saebel, oh, I misunderstood dreamed1's comment. Now I understand it. Sorry, dreamed1 and saebel.

» Wed May 09, 2012 8:33 am

Hmm, according to the latest post on TESNexus on the comment section, there's 3 conflicts with KDQ that's been reported. And what about OWC-ND (I'd consider that a major mod)?

KDQ places items in those caves, but there are no conflicts. I checked myself in both TES4Edit and in game - I didn't find anything.

As for OWC... I can't say, because I don't use it. I've only tested against the mods I use - FCOM, over a dozen quest mods, etc. As long as OWC doesn't add to or alter the caves, it'll be fine - BD doesn't touch levelled lists.

I have turned off music altogether and find it much more immersive. I got annoyed with music cues letting me know when I was in or out of combat before I knew I was in or out of combat. Get surprise attacked from behind is so much more fun.

Heh. I use Musical Immersion myself - the battle music doesn't come on until *you* know you're in combat. Or, you could just remove/rename the Battle folder and keep the rest of the music... I find some quiet, moody dungeon music is great for when you're creeping through the dark.

» Wed May 09, 2012 1:15 am

Hmm, according to the latest post on TESNexus on the comment section, there's 3 conflicts with KDQ that's been reported. And what about OWC-ND (I'd consider that a major mod)?

But yeah, BD does looks pretty awesome. Doesn't it already reduce lighting in dungeons though? Why would you need Cava Obscura if it does?

Please name those conflicts ... not clear if you mean with BD or KDQ.

On topic--------------
Here is are a few that may be worth looking at:
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=25335 - summons sneak when you do.
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=28292 - these spells now play well with sneaking.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:19 pm

Please name those conflicts ... not clear if you mean with BD or KDQ.

On topic--------------
Here is are a few that may be worth looking at:
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=25335 - summons sneak when you do.
http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=28292 - these spells now play well with sneaking.

Nice! Since SDR doesn't unnaturally boost Sneak skills anymore, these mods will work great with it.