Red Ring Road crash : IV

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:57 pm

Issue solved.

I've encountered a reoccurring crash area.
The area is the far west side of the red ring road, where the oblivion gate spawns, north of Fort Empire. Sometimes I can walk through, sometimes I can't, but it always crashes within less than 10 or so minutes, regardless if I travel to another load space, such as inside the oblivion gate. It also doesn't seem to matter if I approach it from the East or from the South. I haven't tried to approach the area from the North or the West yet.

At first I thought it was an overload of RAM causing the issue, but just before the crash, I've checked my task manager, only 1 gig was being used. Not exactly overworking the oblivion engine yet.
I thought maybe it was a mod, and having checked what unique landscapes mods I've been using in that area, I disable the lush woodlands. That appeared to do the trick, and I made my way from Bruma to the IC. After leaving and walking through that area days (in-game) later, I'm having the same problem, so clearly it wasn't UL.

I've begun to think that maybe it's the oblivion gate, but I'm unsure. After toggling the free camera to look around, everything has seemed to load fine by the oblivion gate, it seems to be whatever is beyond it that's causing this.. But I'm not sure.

I'll post my load order, I'm just wondering if anyone's ever encountered this issue in this particular area. It's rather annoying to have to walk completely around it every time I'm heading through.
Any help is appreciated.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:47 pm

I don't see anything strange from your LO, but I'm unpractical with FCOM builds, since I played it just some weeks two years ago.

Have you tried to toggle AI off and see if it is AI-related? Usually persistent CTDs are AI-related if there is some spawn point in zone.
If it is... well, there ends my poor knowledge of game mechanics

I hope somebody else could prove himself more useful for you than me.

EDIt: Typos

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:33 pm

Hey, as long as you're trying, I'd say you're useful lol.

Either way, toggled the ai off, still got a crash. I walked all around for a little bit to make sure the crash didn't happen anywhere else but this general location (at least around where I was), and when I finally started heading back to the area, in a few moments it crash. I really have to lean toward it trying to load something and the files not being there... I just have no idea how to go about finding this out, or finding out what missing files could be causing this.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:52 pm

Is this a recent phenomenon occurring in a long-running play through? If so double check and insure you aren't suffering from (or approaching) the a-bomb. Consistent CTD tied to certain areas or actions with no obvious cause has been a symptom of the bomb for me in times past, even when I didn't experience the animation freezes commonly associated with the a-bomb. It's a far shot, and likely not your issue, but worth a look-see "just in case".

-Decrepit-

EDIT: typos .... lots of typos

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:14 am

After looking up the A-bomb and using the utility in Wrye-Bash to repair this, I'm going to say that's probably not my issue, as it's still crashing.
Thank you though.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:08 am

-- Update --
Active Mod Files:

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00 Oblivion.esm
01 underdark.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3.1]
03 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
04 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
05 BetterMusicSystem.esm
06 HorseCombatMaster.esm
07 ScreenEffects.esm
08 TRoN.esp
09 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.7]
0A Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.4]
0D Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp
0E Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
0F All Natural.esp [Version 1.3.1]
10 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3.1]
11 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1]
12 Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
13 Better Bell Sounds.esp
14 AmbientTownSounds.esp
15 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
16 Sounds Of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1]
17 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3.1]
18 WindowLightingSystem.esp
19 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
1A Bedrollsanyone.esp
1B ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
1C BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp [Version 1.0]
1D NBB.esp
1E Personality Idles - Modified version.esp [Version 1.5]
1F Reznod_Mannequin.esp
20 Update My Statue.esp [Version 1.30]
21 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.2]
22 Crowded Cities 30.esp
23 FF_Real_Thirst.esp
24 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
25 kuerteeCleanUp.esp
26 Note to Self.esp
27 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42]
28 Streamline 3.1.esp
29 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9]
2A Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
2B Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.3]
2C FancyFinery.esp
2D ORM -Travelers' Cloaks.esp
2E TT-EquipableBeardsLEVELEDLIST.esp
2F Slof's Horses Base.esp
30 kuerteeHorseCommands.esp
31 Zira's Horse Modpack - My Horses.esp
32 Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.esp
33 Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.esp
34 Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.esp
35 Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.esp
36 Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.esp
37 BHC_Expanded.esp [Version 1.2]
38 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Talos Plaza.esp
39 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Elven Gardens.esp
3A ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Green Emperor Way.esp
3B ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Prison.esp
3C ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Arena.esp
3D ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Waterfront.esp
3E ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Temple.esp
3F ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - The Arcane University.esp
40 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Market.esp
41 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Arboretum.esp
42 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp
43 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
44 Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
45 Knights.esp
46 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]
47 Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp [Version 1.0]
48 MannimarcoComplete.esp
49 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
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51 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
52 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3]
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55 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
56 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
57 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
58 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
59 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
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5B xulPantherRiver.esp
5C xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
5D xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]
5E xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7]
5F xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
60 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
61 KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
62 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
63 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
64 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2]
65 OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp
66 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12]
67 MannimarcoResurrection-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp [Version 1.0]
68 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.1]
69 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 4.3]
6A EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
6B P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
6C PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43]
6D StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
6E Quest Award Leveller.esp
6F RealisticFatigue.esp
70 RealisticHealth.esp
71 RealisticForceMedium.esp
72 RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.5]
73 StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp
74 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90b]
75 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.90]
76 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.90]
77 FearsomeMagicka.esp
78 BoneGrind.esp
79 Enchantment Enhanced.esp
7A Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5]
7B Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
7C Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp
7D RealisticLeveling.esp
7E SP1stPLegs.esp
7F 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 3.0]
80 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
81 Better Looking Redguards v2.esp
82 Redguard Guards.esp
83 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
84 bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp [Version 1.68UV]
85 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
86 ArgonianFeets.esp
87 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
88 Shining Creatures.esp [Version 1.2]
89 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
8A UnderdarkSaga.esp

I'm going through a hunt for which mods (if any) I think are behind this...
So far everything imported to my bashed patch and FCOM are out, which is really surprising, although comforting, I'd hate to have to find a fix through those giant messes lol. I may find the issue or not, just thought I'd post this again to see if anyone could look at the reduced list and find something buggy in there.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:50 pm

Found the issue.
Shining Creatures.
It makes sense, considering the oblivion gate I'm by... I guess there's a conflict I don't know about with some of the newer mods I've installed.

I'll go look into this.

Thank you every one who offered their insight.