Curse you!


I occasionally spawn that bastard with console commands... just so I can kill him.

Actually, yes. According to the actual book. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ahzidal%27s_Descent



" From the Dwemer, he learned the seven natures of metal and how to harmonize them. From the Ayleids, the ancient runes and dawn-magic even the elves had begun to forget. Among Falmer and Chimer and Altmer he traveled, taking what he could from each, and all the while plotting how he might turn that knowledge against them.

Finally, word reached him of Ysgramor and his Companions, newly-arrived from Atmora. For three days and nights, he rode north, and met them as they made landfall on the icy coast near the ruins of Saarthal, which the elves had fortified against them. He offered the Companions his service, and all he had produced in his years of labor. And with Atmoran steel imbued with his enchantments, the elves fell before them, and at last he had his revenge."

To be fair that doesn't say anything about the amount he produced, just that he produced some enchanted Atmoran steel.

I always have to sit back and laugh when the Ulfric people beat the horse (Empire) because their cat (Aldmeri Dominion) let a mouse in the house to mess with the wife (People of the Empire). It's also a tad funny that they seem to think that any fewer combination of provinces that had been united in the Empire during The Great War, who lost, would be any match in another war of the same stature with far less strength, more division, and bloodied after civil wars. This is partcuarly funny now that they want to go to war against not only the Empire, but think they can "Crush" the "elves" after.

It's much like saying "Germany can win WW2 without Italy, Hungry, Romania, Japan etc"

"In ALL his YEARS of LABOR" suggest otherwise. "And with Atmoran steel imbued with his enchantments." If Bethesda wanted to confirm he only produced "some", they would have either specified, OR worded it much differently. The way it's phrased implies they ALL had enchanted weapons.


It makes even more sense when you consider the time and effort Bethesda put into this guys quest. The whole point being, this master enchanter turned lunatic, PERFECTED his art just to get revenge against the Falmer. This guy was beyond master. To think that he couldn't enchant 500 weapons is a ****ing desperate joke.

Both Redguards and Nords have been renowned Mer killers throughout their entire history and fought against greater odds than just the Dominion. Maybe it seems like Imperials are the only ones with problems dealing with mer without the help of a God or a Nord (Akatosh, Morihaus, Pelinal, Talos) I don't see how a race of people who were enslaved by the Ayleids(whom were some of the most brutal mer when it came to treatment of humans) for hundreds if not thousands of years with little resistance is fit to lead a group of race comprised of more capable warriors. Had no one answered Alessia's prayers I think Tamriel would be dramatically different today.

The only thing the Empire did in the Great War was divert every solider in the Empire to Cyrodill in order to save their own skin, while leaving the natives of different provinces to fend for themselves, none who anticipated that the Empire that swore to protect them would ditch them. Once they did it with Morrowind now they do it with Hammerfell. When the Redguards finally realize that the Empire would be as useful in helping them as a drunken hobo with a hoker in his arms, the Redguards then proved that the Empire didn't have to turn a military victory into a political and strategetical defeat even despite the Redguards having nearly lost their entire country in no small part thanks to the Empire.


Oh and Germany would've perhaps fared much better had the Japanese not decide to draw the Americans into WW2 while the Germans were still busy in the midst of their invasion of the Soviet Union during Operation Barbarossa.

The thing is times change for instance the Nords aren't anything like the 500 Companions and just because the Redguard fought the left handed elves to extinction doesn't really mean anything, we don't know why they fought and for all we know it was probably a minor war and the events of the sinking of the Yokuda mainland was probably the real reason the Left handed elves died out, not the redguards.

Also I'm going to put this out there, I don't think the Empire has holdings in Hammerfell anymore and even so I doubt the Redguards would invade the Empire because a Nord king wanted too, alliances are not made that easily in TES. Another thing is that should another great war happen which it will it won't be the Dominion and the empire against Hammerfell and skyrim and possibly High rock it would be the Empire, Hammerfell, High rock and skyrim against the Dominion, the empire has no real love for the Thalmor and the Dominion despite what people claimed and Tulius already mentioned a counter attack on the Dominon will happen.

Considering how utterly ridiculous two of the three factions in TES:O are, I'm not sure about anything of that nature anymore. /bonk.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':bonk:' />

Yea the Aldmeri Dominion would never have a queen that young, the Ebonheart pact is extremely ridiculous even since at the time nords and Dunmer were fairly friendly for a short while and the Argonians would never work with the Dunmer. Finally the idea that Orsinium would aid High rock and Hammerfell is idiotic.

You are forgetting that the Redguards also made mincemeat of the Orcs and other Mer races after Frandar Hunding landed. I do agree however that a alliance between hammerfell and and Skyrim is quite unlikely given that they haven't got along entirely. Given the nature of the Redguards I doubt they'd be interested in attacking Cyrodil and would rather be left alone. Nords on the other hand might be an entirely different story. Of course nobody is saying that the Empire loves the Dominion. We all hate the Thalmor equally.

I have no hopes for that game. Lorewise or gameplay....

They also made short work of the nedic population of Hammerfell when they landed as well as beast races and the sieges of Orsinium were always Redguard mercenary factions, not any Hammerfell kingdoms.

If I recall the Breton did aid them in some of those sieges of Orsinium.

Wat. I'm not even going to touch this, especially with your escapade earlier in explaining how the Stormcloaks and Dominion are in fact one faction.

I'm equally puzzled how people can maintain that an even weaker version of Cyrodiil, under the same leadership that lost the first Great War campaign, is somehow "Tamriel's only hope." I suppose that optimism abounds. The route to beating the Dominion that I see is that the human nations who actually have some backbone stand up to Cyrodiil until Cyrodiil itself is forced to return to its better lights and actually start fighting the real enemy. The locus for human power is not in dead White Gold anymore. Snow Throat is still bleeding but it's bleeding because it won't bow down to the elves- as has always been the role for the Nords. The redguard aren't going to bow. The Dunmer won't. If they can make an alliance remains to be seen, but only the unimaginative insist that the only way Tamriel can ever be organized is around a Cyrodiilic empire.

That too, but the main point is you shouldn't really say they have a beef with elves when they really don't, they just did it for the sake of getting a new home and protecting it whereas the mercenaries and orders helped sack Orsinium because well PROFIT but it was never the actual Redguard kingdoms is the point.

Snow throat is bleeding because of the civil war, not because it won't bow down to any Mer race, also because White-gold is deactivated doesn't mean that Cyrodiil doesn't have the right to rule anymore, it's all about conquest really also since the prophecy stated that Snow throat was sundered that means it's deactivated thus the only remaining tower as far as we know is Adamantine tower in High Rock.

To be honest, the humans on Nirn are just as bad as they are on Earth lol.

I completely agree, that's why I agree with the philosophy of the Aldmeri dominion in TES:O as long as humans rule Tamriel there will also be constant wars of course there is nothing to really bring up this theory as being correct and most people would probably go "Well the elves would just enslave all humans and be oppressive" which isn't technically correct since the only oppressive elven faction in TES history besides the Ayleids would be the Thalmor in the 4th era.

And the civil war is being fought because...

Well not only White Gold being dead, but the Chim el Abdal being... absent. I hesitate to say anything is gone for good on Nirn. Things they are a'changin'. If you aren't open to that fact, you might be disappointed.


And Mer wouldn't advocate any wars, huh? It is the role of Man and Mer to wage war on each other. All we get is the occasional pause button.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Dominion of a milder sort than Thalmor-led is likely to be, but TES:O is going for the babe factor with elves so I have little hope of their Altmer lore being anything much.

The civil war in general is kinda idiotic though and if anything it makes things worse for both sides, the imperials and stormcloaks which means there will be less troops that could be used to help defeat the Dominion. Ulfric should've waited until the second great war started and was won or he should've done it politically instead of launching a full blown rebellion but I'm not going to get into that because I'm done with civil war debates. Also both sides of the civil war aren't that interesting writing wise.

Could be that the Argonians are literally being forced to as slave-warriors.

You always say this and never provide sources. The only difference is a lack of mages.

Do the Dunmer practice slavery anymore? No? Well then plus politically wise the Dunmer great house system is more advanced and stable then say any of the human political systems.

Maybe I'm confused, but I coulda swore that this game takes place before the events of Morrowind, not after. If this is the case, yes the Dunmer do infact enslave Argonians.

1000 years before Skyrim. Around 2E 500 circa. Yep the Dunmer would still be owning slaves. I believe it was the late Helseth who finally banned it in the events of Morrowind.