Right. Cos we're replicating the efforts of a guy who had a near unified Tamriel at his back and a god-like giant robot of death to lead the way.


Tiber's administration went it in on the losing side between the Crowns and Forebears, the rest is history.

I need to write out a point bulleting about the MC joining Talos like you did with the Stormcloaks not svcking. I'm a procrastinator at heart, though.

I didn't say replicating Tiber. I said replicating Lorkhan.

I'm just talking about Skyrim without the dovahkiin, as he's a big question mark, and not enough concrete evidence is known about his destiny. So assuming he's left out, Skyrim is going to need allies. At least one. Them kicking the elves off the mainland is tricky for the same reason it is for the elves to take Skyrim. Distance. And there's always the risk of Cyrodiil taking Skyrim while their armies are gone, but I think the Empire would help, or at the very least not attack since they don't want the Thalmor to win afterall. Who knows. Either way, it' gonna end up being Skyrim Hammerfell and Cyrodiil all against the dominion. It will be an uneasy alliance at first, but elves have a way of bringing men together. You watch.

I don't get this line of thought. While I agree that you can argue the Stormcloaks without him (and I personally think the Stormcloaks could win in a war with the Thalmor without him) it's such a misnomer. If the Stormcloaks win, it's because the Dragonborn helps them. Same for the Empire. Neither side can conquer the other.

I agree, but it's the only way to discuss it in my opinion because we are talking about the merits of the factions themselves, not the dovahkiin, who could be considered a faction of his own since he practically rules the dragons.

Does he? They acknowledge the superiority of his Thu'um, but there's only like three dragons who don't try to kill him on sight.

So we'll argue without the Dragonborn.

-Empire loses completely while the Nords are in Skyrim.
-Empire wins when the Nords come south to teach them how to fight a war.
-Hammerfell wins once the Empire gets out of Hammerfell.

Do you see a correlation here?

Those are situational. The first one is because of the dovahkiin, second one wasn't just because of the nords. They helped a lot, but if the legion consisted of all imperials, it would have likely got the same effect imo, and the last one is because the Nords Imperials and Bretons took down so many Thalmor from before. Hammerfell was winning when the legion was there as well. If the legion stayed for the next five years, they'd still win as well.

I think you're confused. The Empire lost the Imperial city whilst they only relied on the armies they had garrisoned in Cyrodiil. This was before the Dragonborn.

If you wanna discredit the Nords and General Jonna, well okay. If the Imperials could do it, they would've. but they didn't.

Now, would the empire help Hammerfell any? I dunno. Maybe. But what we see from the Great War is that Hammerfell doesn't get rid of the Elves until the Redguards go at it alone.

Nevermind that the Imperials apparently can't save the counties from bandits right now. What chance do they have in Great War Mk II: The Sequelling?

You seem to be confused as to what armies came south from Skyrim. They were, wait for it, Imperial Legions.

I'm not discrediting them, I'm just trying to look at this in an unbiased manner, as I'm a huge fan of the Nords. Yea, the Empire lost the Imperial city, but that's because they weren't prepared. If they were, and they knew about the Thalmor threat, that would not have happened. The Imperials are not weak. If the nords decided to sit that out, and they had another imperial legion to replace them, they could have held back the thalmor as well. I think you are underhyping theImperials a great deal.

By themselves? The same as the rest by themselves. None. The dominion isn't just one country by itself either afterall.

I'm just working with what the game tells us. Like how the Empire can't defend its counties from bandits. Or like how it can't reinforce Skyrim's legion.

I don't think it's alliances are too strong. They've had to purge Valenwood, and I'm amazed they've managed to hoodwink the Khajitt for as long as they have.

While I agree that Treng is underhyping the Imperials and overhyping the Nords, at the core he has a point. Skyrim have been known as the 3rd Empire's strongarm because of the Nords importance to the Imperial Legion and the Nords are known to be generally talented warriors, moreso than the Imperials. Not that this changes your point much, but I think it is worth taking into consideration.

They are freaking cats, bring them their moons back and supply them with milk and they will follow you to the end.

Am I underhyping the Imperials? I don't know. Tends to be when you don't practice anything you lose your skill at it. When you live comfortably you stop being hard. That's a common trope in most fantasy genres, from Game of Thrones to Lord of the Rings, and even Warcraft.

The Imperials live in a soft land that has been safe from most conflict since the oblivion crisis ended. Compare that to Nords who have to deal with Falmer and giants, the cold, and harsh weather that ruins farming which further forces them to hunt and well... I dunno. I just don't see it as a contest. It's also why I'd be more worried about the Khajiit than I would be the Altmer.

If we go off the in-game representation, one can't walk from Chorrol to Weynon Priory without facing a Minotaur Lord and a mountain lion.

Now I'm going out on a limb here, but if mountain lions and minotaur are, in lore, as pervasive and numerous as the gameplay says they are, I don't know how any villages were built. Any not-walled city, village, or building would be ruined. I'm looking at you, Weynon Priory and the farm nearby it.

I'm growing tired of hearing of any possible Redguard / Skyrim interaction. I'd rather see a High Rock / Skyrim interaction taking the Hjalti Early-Beard (Talos) story further.

I mean, the whole Skyrim storyline is centred on Dragonborn and the banning of Talos worship. It'll be nice to go out with a good closing main quest line carrying this on.

I'm no expert, but I think High Rock is far from a unified entity.

They are? They took huge losses in the Great War, which lasted five years longer than them as for anyone else.

The human races recoveredd faster than the Altmer.

High rock would probably be very much aligned with Skyrim with split loyalty to the Empire. Parts of High Rock also worship Talos and have annual celebrations in his honor. I'm sure the Thalmor causing as much of a stir amongst Bretons as they are with Nords. There is even a strong possibility that Talos was raised in High Rock.

Still, it's only been 20 years.