If there were a PvP component and D-bags were blowing up these exploits and ruining the experience for people who paid the same price and want to play legit, but of course can't compete without exploiting, then you have an argument. In a purely single-player experience, you have nobody to blame because NONE of these things just happen in the course of playing the game. They ALL must be intentionally embarked upon with the endgame in mind of maxing a skill or overlevelling. If you lack the simple willpower during your roleplay to avoid the trap of so-called game-breaking exploits, I pity you.

i agree this are exploits but not with the enchanting you said you collected soul gems through out the game thats the hardest part of enchanting leveling up once you have them is very easy but finding them is a challenge
to people saying dont do it if you dont want to you are right but he said for people who dont understand how the game works
to the poll i think its going in the wrong direction still a good one but not as good there is no more challenge even without the exploits i dont want to be one hit killed but 3 or 4 sure i still enjoy playing but it could still be better

There is nothing wrong with that, you don't have to create 100 iron daggers to create steel armor. Create iron armor and weapon>upgrade armor and weapon > play -not broken-



That means you are spamming, spending a ton of time doing a single thing to upgrade that one skill. If you are to dense to realize what's happen next, well then I feel sorry for you.

I love how most fan boys only defense is "it's you're own damn fault if you abuse an exploit" blah blah blah the POINT is bethesda SHOULD NOT be ALLOWING me to abuse the game mechanics in such a way.


the game design in those aspects mentioned are FLAWED and need to be changed. it's a simple fact. Bethesda did not intend us to be able to jump levels at a blinding speed by doing "certain things". they are in FACT exploits, and i'm quite sure they will be looking into ways to not only fix these in an upcoming patch, but hopefully they will have learned they're lesson and create a different set of mechanics when it comes to leveling said skills.

Are you kidding me? Let's look at the mentioned "exploits" which are in fact not exploits at all.


Using Equilibrium together with a healing spell is pretty intuitive and natural. If you are playing as a mage through the college quests and have no yet found the awesomness that is enchanting then this will be a staple of your magicka management.


At some point you're going to cast a soul trap late and hit a corpse and you'll get a skill up. At that point it's reasonable to assume a light bulb would turn on in your head and you'd at least test it out...


Walking around trying to be quiet? Cast muffle... get skill up. HMMMMMMMM... light bulb on.


The only way to level up enchanting is to ... enchant things, it is quite obvious doing as much enchanting as possible is your road to enchanting mastery.


Similar to enchanting you improve your smithing by smithing.

As you can see all of these can and will be figured out simply by playing the game. It's rather odd to assume that a player would be so dumb as to completely miss these when they are basically punching you in the mouth the entire game.

dont forget 1 more huge exploit, PC versions of the game allows us to become a God and do pretty much everything we want to with the game

Yeah sure, you could do that...

But would you have fun?

I thought we played games to have fun and get inspiration...
Not to find bugs.

Why don't you become a game tester instead of posting silly threads like this?

Congrats, you spent 2 hours of your life watching the same animation over and over and over again

at least this gives you a lot more replay value...

Simple.
dont do the things you listed.

What you fail to realize is that you have to put effort into these things to make them work. You can stop at any time leading up to lvl 100. You chose not to, you must live with the consequences of your actions.

lol And called it Bethesda's fault. Classic!

I didn't vote because I think in SOME ways Skyrim is going in the right direction, but in other ways it's NOT going in the right direction.

And I don't see the problem with exploits in the game. You don't HAVE to use them, you know...

This.

And... What exactly is the correlation between the topic and the poll?

So i read about 2 pages of this, and have to say these arent exploits... except maybe soul traping a dead body. But then even if it is an exploit who cares, your game, yours to break, the designers cant be held accountable for people that intentionaly exploit the game. I think that they should just ignore all this stuff, oh wait they already are.

As far as the question of them takeing the game in the wrong direction, it isnt anyones choice what direction this game goes in short of modding it. If you dont like the direction then dont buy it, but it will always be up to the designers what direction to go with the games they release.

Spamming low level skills in TES games is a common way people level and not an exploit. I think its stupid and boring but it doesnt make you overpowered and break the game. The only thing Bethesda needs to be concerned with is skills which make you uber powerful too early and break the game. Also if you craft better loot than you can find in dungeons you make it so peoplle dont want to explore. Why should you when you crafted better loot?

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Nobody is MISSING these things. We simply aren't noticing you can gain a smithing level by making several iron daggers, and then spending countless hours doing nothing but accumulating materials, making said daggers. We are noticing the smithing bump, saying "cool, I gained a smith level" and then deciding that killing the undead is more interesting than spamming daggers. If you choose to spam these things, fine. But it's not broken

You stand around for an hour spamming a skill to level it up as fast and as far as possible, then go out and complain because said skill is really powerful after you do that. News flash! Max level skills are powerful.

I especially disagree with the OP's take on enchanting. You went through the entire game and collected a ton of soul gems killing who knows how many enemies in how ever many dungeons until you were level 60. Why shouldn't you be able to get to 100 enchanting skill by then? It's not about the time it takes to stand at a table and assemble the finished product. You had to put time and effort into gathering the required materials as well.



Exactly. In an MMO, yeah you want some way to slow progression to a crawl just because people will go to great lengths to level up as fast as possible just to give themselves an advantage over everyone else. In a single player game, it doesn't really matter if you spend your time abusing the leveling system because there's nobody else for you to wave your e-peen at. It's your own fault if you find a lack of challenge after you've exploited the game mechanics to min/max your stats.

The problem with min/maxing is that if you balance the game around doing that, then it becomes more or less required in order to play the game. Personally I find it rather disappointing that this seems to be the way MMOs are going. I hardly ever run into anyone in an MMO anymore who just plays the game.

they can fix the muffle spam by making it only castable after your current muffle has already faded.

It's possible to power level everything except speech, that takes awhile. But there's trainers for that.

The game gives you the choice to do it or not to do it.

Grindng is boring but it doesnt break the game.

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incorrect Eugine in riften can up your speech all you need to do is spam him asking about what he really thinks of his boss aka persuade him and he tell you, you do it enough you get a point, you do that enough you get 100 points.

This almost bothered me as much as the "exploits you could unknowingly - yeah right - misuse".

I have specifically not gone out of my way to install anything regarding spell correction system onto my Firefox - but it is here automatically - as part of the browser itself. If a red squiggly line pops up, double-check before continuing.