Not as far as I know.

That is a normal bug. Please, do not use weOCPS unless you need it. Use FastExit v2 to take care of the crash on exit issue. It is small, does what is says and if there is any possibility of a conflict with it, I have not heard it.

Quick question about Mighty Umbra. How do you get the quest for it started? I've got the sword, I've killed people/creatures with t, but I'm not really sure what to do to start fighting the sword's spirit or whatever. I read the journal, but it didn't say much.

Seemed like it started regardless, have you been to the shrine??(didn't think tou really had to)
Have you had any visions??, if so, go wait in the dungeon...

I tried activating it, nothing happens. Haven't rested/waited in the dungeon for more than a few hours at most I think.

I "Think" it will pronanly svck you in from wherever you are...
I spent probably a week in that stupid Dungeon waiting on it, and if you thought Umbra was tough the First time... :hehe:

Still in the sewers... I'm having a pretty svcky bug, where clicking on certain portions of the screen results in no register of the click, and clicking in other areas randomly minimizes Oblivion. Oblivion, of course, doesn't re-maximize without locking up, so this is not a very nice bug.

Edit: backgroundMouse is set to 0.

Try a clean boot - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331796/


Edit: Make sure you are running in full screen mode too. Check the relevant setting in the Oblivion.ini (Documents\My Games\Oblivion) as well.

No news on that issue yet, but OBGE stopped working... I'm following your advice and switching from weOCPS to fastExit 2.

OBGE stopped working...? What? http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=know_how_to#PostYourLoadOrder Try duplicating OBGE v2 DLL, so that you have one OBGE.DLL and one OBGEv2.DLL.

Yeah. It removed the menu/settings item from my inventory and everything. Said item was there on the initial launch, but gone soon after.

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.5.5b4]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.8]08  Better Cities Resources.esm09  CM Partners.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.2.0]0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch MOBS.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.8]11  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.8]12  Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp13  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp14  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp15  IWR-Lights.esp16  IWR-Windows.esp17  IWR-Shutters.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]18  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.2.1]19  DLCHorseArmor.esp1A  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp1B  tda_Armoury Beta v1_2.esp1C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]1D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]1E  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]**  Oblivion WarCry.esp  [Version 1.085a]1F  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp20  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.8]21  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]22  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]23  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.8]24  Fransfemale.esp25  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]26  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp27  Auriel's_Retreat.esp  [Version 1.1]28  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.0]29  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp2A  Windfall.esp2B  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp2C  DLCfrostcrag.esp2D  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp2E  Knights.esp2F  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp30  AFK_Weye.esp31  Blood&Mud.esp32  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]33  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 5.1]34  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.8]35  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.8]36  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]37  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]38  xulTheHeath.esp39  XulEntiusGorge.esp3A  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]3B  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]3C  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]3D  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]3E  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]3F  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]40  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]41  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]42  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]43  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]44  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]45  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]46  xulPantherRiver.esp47  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]48  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]49  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]4A  xulBlackwoodForest.esp4B  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]4C  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]4D  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp4E  Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp4F  Roleplaying Dialogues.esp50  immersive_caves_auto.esp51  immersive_caves_manual.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]52  ElaborateEyes.esp53  Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp54  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]55  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]56  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]57  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]58  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]59  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]5A  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]5B  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]5C  bgBalancingVanillaGMSTArmorPenalty.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]5D  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]5E  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]5F  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]60  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]61  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp62  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp63  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp64  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp65  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp66  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp67  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp68  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp69  Better Imperial City.esp6A  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]6B  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]6C  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]6D  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]6E  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]6F  BSSAotN.esp70  DW_MagickalArsenal.esp71  RinzeiCrystalStaff.esp72  nord-atr_vanillafication.esp73  Bashed Patch, 1.esp

No idea about your current issue but you're using old versions of MMM, OOO and FCOM. I'd recommend updating to the latest versions, esp. as you're starting from scratch. Note that you have to uninstall your current version of MMM before updating as it has switched to a bsa format.

Also, use only the English version of WarCry:

Oblivion WarCry.esp [Version 1.085a] - skip
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

Plus make sure you have the 1.085b patch.

Also, install all the resources for EVE but only use:

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1097809-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom-relz/ with download links and instructions.

That load order is not sorted completely properly either. If you run BOSS, you should see a few changes, especially toward the end there.

Arkngt: the asterisks beside "Oblivion Warcry.esp" are put there by Wrye Bash to indicate that the mod has been merged into the patch, but is not active in my load list. Should I un-merge it?

tomlong: I've used BOSS to sort this load list at every step of the way, and will of course do so again as changes are made. Thanks for your concern. I'll go ahead and copy OBGE and rename it, as you recommended.

I've deactivated one of the immersive caves .esp files, in case they were conflicting. Additionally, I just realized that TES4LODGen hasn't been run yet...

Edit: Found another way to open the OBGE menu, but the effects are definitely not working. Will copy/rename.

Edit 2: Deleted Oblivion Warcry .esp and rebuilt patch... it sure is removing a lot of "sublists," as in the ones for every Cobl item...

Remove "Oblivion Warcry.esp". You should only have the "EV" version installed. Delete the other one.

After removing and rebuilding, I now have googly eyes. Chunks of the Imperial City's walls have been missing from the beginning, and are still. I must have messed up the city mods somehow.

Thanks to your renaming suggestion, OBGE now works. The new LOD build and OBGE make for some marvelous scenery. Also, this is the first time I've been able to use QTP3 (redimized) without having to install Jarroc's on top! Woot!

What is "Jarroc's"? Post your current load order, and I can probably figure out your eye problem. Make sure this load order is (BOSS) sorted before posting, please.

As soon as I see the words "googly eyes" I think Beautiful People. Not sure what:

Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp

is as I'm not using BP, but if it's some kind of merge of them I'd recommend skipping BP and use Cobl races or RBP instead.

Yup... That plugin is old. Do not use it. If you are going to use Beautiful People, get the latest version, and then make the BP plugin compatible with Robert's mod. If you do not want to go through all of that trouble, follow Arkngt's recommendation. I use RBP, but if you do not want its http://theelderscrolls.info/?go=9XReadMeBalancingProject component, go with COBL Races. You cannot use both, and there is no reason to do so.

Game Tweaks - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=downloading_mods#GameTweaks <-- COBL is here
Cosmetic - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=downloading_mods#Cosmetic <-- RBP is here

Removed the Beautiful People thingamajig. Rebuilt patch. Re-ordered. Googly eyes (on player character) persist. My eyes are from the Elaborate Eyes mod, iirc. Either that, or it's from the exact duplicate set included in BRP.

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.5.5b4]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.8]08  Better Cities Resources.esm09  CM Partners.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.2.0]0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch MOBS.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.8]11  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.8]12  Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp13  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp14  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp15  IWR-Lights.esp16  IWR-Windows.esp17  IWR-Shutters.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]18  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.2.1]19  DLCHorseArmor.esp1A  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp1B  tda_Armoury Beta v1_2.esp1C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]1D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]1E  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]1F  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp20  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.8]21  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]22  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]23  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.8]24  Fransfemale.esp25  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]26  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp27  Auriel's_Retreat.esp  [Version 1.1]28  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.0]29  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp2A  Windfall.esp2B  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp2C  DLCfrostcrag.esp2D  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp2E  Knights.esp2F  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp30  AFK_Weye.esp31  Blood&Mud.esp32  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]33  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 5.1]34  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.8]35  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.8]36  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]37  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]38  xulTheHeath.esp39  XulEntiusGorge.esp3A  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]3B  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]3C  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]3D  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]3E  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]3F  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]40  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]41  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]42  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]43  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]44  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]45  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]46  xulPantherRiver.esp47  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]48  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]49  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]4A  xulBlackwoodForest.esp4B  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]4C  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]4D  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp4E  Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp4F  Roleplaying Dialogues.esp50  immersive_caves_auto.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]51  ElaborateEyes.esp52  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]53  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]54  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]55  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]56  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]57  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]58  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]59  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]5A  bgBalancingVanillaGMSTArmorPenalty.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]5B  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]5C  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]5D  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]5E  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]5F  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp60  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp61  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp62  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp63  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp64  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp65  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp66  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp67  Better Imperial City.esp68  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]69  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]6A  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]6B  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]6C  Bashed Patch, 1.esp6D  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]6E  BSSAotN.esp6F  DW_MagickalArsenal.esp70  RinzeiCrystalStaff.esp71  nord-atr_vanillafication.esp

BP includes Elaborate Eyes, which is where the conflicts originate. Uninstall BP and Elaborate eyes for now.


Edit: What are those things loading after the bashed patch?


12 Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp <-- get the fixed version
15 IWR-Lights.esp <-- replace these with AWLS
16 IWR-Windows.esp
17 IWR-Shutters.esp

4E Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp <-- replace with Enhanced Water


http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=popular_outdated_mods <-- links here

Elaborate Eyes should work fine in itself - at least it did ages ago when I used it. Are you only interested in eyes? Otherwise, using Cobl Races or RBP would make it unnecessary as they add eyes, hairs and races.

RBP includes EE support, or it used to, I think. They are not compatible, however. Whatever the current status is, the same goes for COBL Races obviously.


Edit: Nevermind, there is no support, but all you have to do is remove the Eyes tag (uncheck it in Wrye Bash) from RBP or COBL Races if you use EE. I say stick with one or the other for the least complications though...

Right now, they're both turned on. I have no idea which mod added in the eyes that are currently on my character; there were two copies of everything in the creation screen due to the "conflict." (actually, I think this one had only one copy, and it's definitely an EE eye set. Scratch that.) I had no googly eye issues until today.

Edit: Un-tabbing BRP for eyes didn't work. Disabling EE.

Both of what? BP and EE? BP includes all of EE, so drop the latter. Another reason not to use EE or a cosmetic compilation that use EE, is that some quest mods add races with their own eyes using the vanilla eye mesh, and EE makes them all look weird. That is why you find EE compatibility matches for certain quest mods.

I removed EE. Somewhere along the way, the entire structure of my character's face has changed. Probably the BP patch. There are no longer ANY custom eyes, even though I added the eyes tab back on bgBalancingEVCore.esp