(Rel) New Better Bodies Textures

Post » Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:18 am

Well I finally got around to checking out the new textures and they are awesome, although I have to agree with Vitality about the pubic hair. But still one outstanding piece of work! :goodjob: :bowdown:

EDIT: Spelling

His name is Vality. Sorry I just get really petpeevish about name spelling.
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Cheryl Rice
 
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:11 pm

Just took a look at a couple of these in nifskope..really nice work..I especially like how well you've softened the seams on the inner thighs/legs and along the insides of the arms that some other skins have left. Couple things I noticed though. There's a fairly "hard" line running along the contour just below each briast that looks a bit off. Was this done on purpose? Perhaps it's just a matter of aesthetic taste whether it should be there or not. In a way it's too bad that the BB meshers didn't create just a hint of sag there as it would look more realistic..plus would cover a spot that is quite hard to texture properly due to pixel smearing in some places.

There's also a fairly visible horizontal line on the side of each leg..just below the knees. And there are several quite visible seams on the feet (which is likely quite a difficult place to get all those blended together).

I haven't gotten a chance to see anything in-game yet..it may be less visible in that lighting thus not really an issue..thought I'd mention my observations though.

Minor things though..this must have been a lot of work to do and it's a very nice variant which will add a lot of enjoyment to many people's games. Thanks for the release :foodndrink:


That line is there in the image I used, it probably should be pushed down a bit more. I am aware of the seam below the knees, I may try to fix that yet. As for the feet they are going to stay the way they are, I really doubt I would have the patience to get them seamless. ;) Also some of the seams are more noticeable on certain races and less on others.


Also thank you everybody for your appreciation, I am glad you are liking these.
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:34 pm

His name is Vality. Sorry I just get really petpeevish about name spelling.


Sorry Vality. Didn't mean to misspell it. Just tired and very discouraged trying to figure why this PMB mod is having such trouble. After 3 installs I'm still no closer to figuring it out and now for some reason I can't even take a screen shot to show someone what I'm talking about.

Anyway, sorry about the spelling error, I'll try and not make it again.

EDIT: Spelling.......LMAO
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:39 pm

I am not Vality for one thing. But he probably would have corrected you aswell. So no need to apologize to me. I was just correxting you.
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:10 pm

It's my guess that stryder420 was apologizing to Vality7 in absentia.
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Post » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:23 am

That line is there in the image I used, it probably should be pushed down a bit more. I am aware of the seam below the knees, I may try to fix that yet. As for the feet they are going to stay the way they are, I really doubt I would have the patience to get them seamless. ;) Also some of the seams are more noticeable on certain races and less on others.
Also thank you everybody for your appreciation, I am glad you are liking these.

Have you ever used Nifskope's UV editor? It makes it easy to fix seams and make your textures fit properly on the mesh.
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:16 pm

It's my guess that stryder420 was apologizing to Vality7 in absentia.


That's exactly what I was doing Pseron Wyrd, thanks for understanding that.....:)
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Post » Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:27 am

Have you ever used Nifskope's UV editor? It makes it easy to fix seams and make your textures fit properly on the mesh.


Nice, I never knew you could do that with Nikskope. :D I don't even have Nifskope, but I might just DL and see what I can do. However that would mean everybody would have to install a new BB mesh file and I really don't know if that is cool with PDS.

I read you can import OBJ and export as NIF with Nifskope???
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:17 pm

Nice, I never knew you could do that with Nikskope. :D I don't even have Nifskope, but I might just DL and see what I can do. However that would mean everybody would have to install a new BB mesh file and I really don't know if that is cool with PDS.

I read you can import OBJ and export as NIF with Nifskope???

Yes you would need to redistribute the meshes, but I can't imagine it would be hard to get permission if it is even needed. I have seen many race mods and stuff that use the BB mesh as a base. The UV editor is really easy to use btw, while you're looking you might want to fix up the little toes as well as all the seams. I don't think you'll need to do it for each mesh, as you can copy the nitrishapedata node to each nif which will copy the uv map settings.

The obj/3ds import function is there but I've never tried it.
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:22 pm

Thats pretty cool, maybe I can fix the map so my undies version isn't so stretched as well.....

Thanks for the info Vality. :goodjob:
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Post » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:44 am

Just downloaded: beautiful work as usual, congrats to the release. :thumbsup:
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:02 pm

Just downloaded: beautiful work as usual, congrats to the release. :thumbsup:


Thanks, sure hope you wont mind DL an update for the female textures later afternoon. ;)


I think Harborgolfer will be pleased to know that I have taken care of just about all the seams as best I could and fixed the briast area using Nifskope to edit the UV layout (thanks Vality.) :D A seam near the knee cap is really the only one that I coudn't get rid of so well but I dont think it is too noticeable. :S

I will probably edit the elves pubic region to fit the "elvish lore" of no body hair. And maybe add some color to the dark elf as suggested and then I will UL a new version later this evening.

Hopefully in the next few days I will have the male texture done as well.

Oh also I have been having a strange bug with the dark elf texture. I cant seem to switch to the nvde texture for the dark elf only, its stuck on the underwear version for some strange reason. I even completley deleted the dark elf texture from the folder so that there wasn't a dark elf texture and it still showed the undies version. :S Anybody have any idea what might be the problem????
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:13 pm

Oh also I have been having a strange bug with the dark elf texture. I cant seem to switch to the nvde texture for the dark elf only, its stuck on the underwear version for some strange reason. I even completley deleted the dark elf texture from the folder so that there wasn't a dark elf texture and it still showed the undies version. :S Anybody have any idea what might be the problem????


This might be that you have the Dark Elf underwear texture loose in your
Textures folder (not in the Textures subfolder "bb" ). If this is the case,
the game will read what is in the base Textures folder before the "bb" Textures
subfolder (hence your dilemma). Just fish out the loose Dark Elf underwear
texture from the base Textures folder and make sure that you install the
nvde one in the "bb" subfolder and all will be well ;) .

Take Care :angel:
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:57 pm

This might be that you have the Dark Elf underwear texture loose in your
Textures folder (not in the Textures subfolder "bb" ). If this is the case,
the game will read what is in the base Textures folder before the "bb" Textures
subfolder (hence your dilemma). Just fish out the loose Dark Elf underwear
texture from the base Textures folder and make sure that you install the
nvde one in the "bb" subfolder and all will be well ;) .

Take Care :angel:


Aha your a genius, thank you. :D

Wonder how that got there.... :S
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:53 pm

I was just wondering what other people think about me releasing the BB files I altered to fit the texture.

This is from the PDS website:

Q. Are there any other limits as to what I can do with the Better Bodies source files?

A. Yes. You aren't allowed to alter the shape of the meshes and then use them to make and release a mod that replaces the standard Morrowind races. You can make a custom race with altered meshes, and you can release textures packs that replace the textures of the standard Morrowind races. You can also use the altered meshes to make a creature. Just as long as you don't use our files to make a mesh that is different from ours, and then use that mesh in a mod that replaces the standard races, you're free to use the files we've released.


I think this means that I am alright to do so but I just wanna get other peoples translation before I go ahead and release. What I am doing here is, I think, a little unusual so I don't wanna do something I shouldn't with out being sure its ok.
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Post » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:58 am

Thanks, sure hope you wont mind DL an update for the female textures later afternoon. ;)
I think Harborgolfer will be pleased to know that I have taken care of just about all the seams as best I could and fixed the briast area using Nifskope to edit the UV layout (thanks Vality.) :D A seam near the knee cap is really the only one that I coudn't get rid of so well but I dont think it is too noticeable. :S

I will probably edit the elves pubic region to fit the "elvish lore" of no body hair. And maybe add some color to the dark elf as suggested and then I will UL a new version later this evening.

Hopefully in the next few days I will have the male texture done as well.

Oh also I have been having a strange bug with the dark elf texture. I cant seem to switch to the nvde texture for the dark elf only, its stuck on the underwear version for some strange reason. I even completley deleted the dark elf texture from the folder so that there wasn't a dark elf texture and it still showed the undies version. :S Anybody have any idea what might be the problem????


Did I miss something? Where is it written that Elves may not have body-hair?! Could you please just make 2 versions, one with hair and one without :sad:?
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:33 pm

AnOldFriend3, I think it sounds alright. While you are replacing the default races with a new mesh, it is not altered, just the uv map, so really there should be no problem - it is up to people to choose whether they want to use the altered uv mapped mesh anyway.

Did I miss something? Where is it written that Elves may not have body-hair?! Caoul youn please just make 2 versions, one with hair and one without :sad:?

Well on wikipedia it is written, it's not written in TES lore, but it's more just kinda common fantasy knowledge.

"Often elves do not possess facial or body hair"
"and neither six grows facial, nor body hair"


Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elves_in_fantasy_fiction_and_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:15 pm

Nobody said elves can't have body hair, what was said is that elves are commonly know not to have body hair or even facial hair. :hehe:
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:02 pm

Did I miss something? Where is it written that Elves may not have body-hair?! Could you please just make 2 versions, one with hair and one without :sad:?


Well you could just use the textures I have UL already. However I will think about including it in the final release.


AnOldFriend3, I think it sounds alright. While you are replacing the default races with a new mesh, it is not altered, just the uv map, so really there should be no problem - it is up to people to choose whether they want to use the altered uv mapped mesh anyway.


I have a thread going at PDS asking for permission but I will proly just upload another temp file at rapidshare until somebody gives me an answere. I am going to get some better undies on the texture and fix up the elves first. And then hopefully i will get a start on the males finally. :D
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Post » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:56 am

Our modern, Fantasy conception of Elves stem from Tolkien and Tolkien's Elves are humanoid if not human. Now we know that Tolkien's Elves had beards (Cirdan had one) so it is not a stretch to assume that Tolkien's Elves could also have both pubic and axillary hair.

The problem here is that Fantasy Elves are part of what might be called a literary 'folk tradition'. There are about as many conceptions of what an Elf is as there are games and novels. Who's conception is 'right'? As Vaility pointed out, TES lore does not guide us here so we have to turn elsewhere if we want an answer. I am inclined to turn to Tolkien.

Personally, I don't see the justification for Elves not having pubic hair. If we accept the common assumption that one of the primary functions of pubic hair is the reduction of friction then it's logical to assume that, since they reproduce the same way we do, Elves would benefit from this as much as humans.
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:11 pm

Hmm well aside from technicalities I will be including 3 seperate folders, nvde, underwear, and hairless elves. And then you (whoever uses these textures) can decide what you want. You can make your own lore in your own head.
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Post » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:05 am

Once again great job on the new textures AnOldFriend, I'm using them now and they look great. I would personally have prefered a fairer skinned elf, but that's just a personal preference.

If I might add a suggestion though, it might be a good idea to include a copy of the original better bodies textures that you replaced in your package. That way if people prefer the originals they can replace them. Just an idea.
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:23 pm

Hmm well the final file size is probably going to be quite large. There will be 2 and a half different versions for the females plus the models and at least 2 for the male, and possibly models as well..... I would suggest you just reinstall BB if you prefer there's. Also, the UV on the models I will include may not work so well with the original textures.
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Post » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:42 pm

Now we know that Tolkien's Elves had beards (Cirdan had one) so it is not a stretch to assume that Tolkien's Elves could also have both pubic and axillary hair.

Actually, C?rdan's beard was a stuff-up by Tolkien, which he later "explained" by saying that Elves grow beards later in life ("later" in this case being measured in centuries). Elsewhere he did say Elves don't have beards.

(Edit: Yes, I know that was horribly pedantic of me. I don't care. I like being a pedant. :P )
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Post » Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:39 am

There are bearded Dunmer heads in the vanilla character creation menu, so "hairy" Dark Elves do exist in TES lore, although that may not apply to Altmer. I'd suggest leaving the Dunmer "as is", and only "correct" the Altmer.

How much different is this than the 'Fit Body Textures" for BB?
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