Reliable CTD (FCOM installation), any ideas? : IV

» Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:05 pm

Crashing to desktop reliably (multiple times) every time I try to Fast Travel from just outside Chorrol's Fighter Guild to the Stables outside of Chorrol. I also have some texture replacement mods going, and OBGE (only Godrays). Any ideas?

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]**  TNR - THE REDGUARDS.esp**  TNR - THE DUNMER.esp**  TNR - THE IMPERIALS.esp**  TNR - THE BRETONS.esp**  TNR - THE ALTMER.esp**  TNR - THE NORDS.esp**  TNR - THE ORCS.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]11  Fran Armor Add-on.esp12  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp13  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp14  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]15  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]16  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]17  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]18  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp19  weather inside [seasons] v1.2.esp1A  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]1B  WindowLightingSystem.esp1C  AliveWaters.esp1D  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp1E  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp1F  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp++  Better Wine SI.esp++  VA_BetterGold.esp20  Streamline 3.1.esp21  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.0]22  DLCHorseArmor.esp23  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]24  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]25  DLCOrrery.esp26  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]27  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]28  DLCVileLair.esp29  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]2A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2C  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]2D  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp++  CM_Better Wine.esp++  FineWeapons.esp++  RustyItems.esp2E  DLCThievesDen.esp2F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]30  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]31  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]32  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp33  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]35  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]36  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]37  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]38  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]39  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]**  Fransfemale.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp40  cyrodiil transportation network 1.3 wz.esp41  SB IC Palace Tower Light Mod v1.1 - Modified Version.esp42  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp43  M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp  [Version 6]44  M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp  [Version 2]45  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp46  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]47  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]48  DLCFrostcrag.esp49  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4A  SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp  [Version 1.2]4B  Knights.esp**  Knights - Book Jackets.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]4C  M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp  [Version 1]4D  M.O.E. - Main Quest Delayer.esp  [Version 3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]4F  ElsweyrAnequina.esp++  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp  [Version 1.2]50  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]51  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]52  xulTheHeath.esp53  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp54  XulEntiusGorge.esp55  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]56  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp57  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]58  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]59  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]5A  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]5B  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]5C  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]5D  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]5E  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]5F  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]60  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]61  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]62  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp63  xulPantherRiver.esp64  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]65  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]66  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]67  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]68  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]69  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6A  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]6B  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6C  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp6D  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp6E  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.1]6F  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]70  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp71  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]72  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]73  ANBBobbingMotion.esp74  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp75  M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp  [Version 7]++  M.O.E. - Kill Martin and Jauffre.esp  [Version 1]76  M.O.E. - Vampire Clan Raelu.esp  [Version 6]77  M.O.E. - Levitation Magic.esp  [Version 1]78  RenGuardOverhaul.esp79  nGCD.esp7A  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]7B  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]7C  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]7D  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]7E  ProgressRacial.esp7F  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]++  MW Style Dremora.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp**  Jjiinx_MorrowindStyleArgonians.esp++  Better Looking Dark Elves.esp80  Better Looking Redguards.esp++  Better Looking Wood Elves Vanilla.esp81  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]82  Bashed Patch, 0.esp83  SMTXKhajiitPawsAsAbility_v04RMHGEC.esp

And here's the Windows crash report:

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: Oblivion.exe
Application Version: 1.2.0.416
Application Timestamp: 462392c7
Fault Module Name: StackHash_27c8
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 00000000
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: bf443865
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 27c8
Additional Information 2: 27c8ce5af7a07bedf550bd9c573901b3
Additional Information 3: e56e
Additional Information 4: e56e9cfaf3cd1084b6b4c016d12ce64c

» Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:55 am

Turn off autosave on travel/wait/rest if you haven't already.

» Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:20 pm

I have that off, it still crashes. More notes:

- I just disabled the whole Bashed Patch to test, and it still crashes even with all of those merged mods off.
- I walked right through those Stables on my way into Chorrol just fine; I didn't see anything buggy at all. I entered Chorrol, walked into the Fighter's Guild to turn in a quest, walked out, and then tried to Fast Travel outside of Chorrol (to the Stables) and it crashed. It's crashed in the same way 7~ times, so it's very reliable.
- Auto saving is OFF.
- It also has nothing to do with the paranoid elf who follows you to give you the quest in Chorrol; I've already accepted his quest, and he is not following me.
- Disabled all Unique Landscapes, still crashed.
- Disabled KhajitPaws (since BOSS doesn't recognize it), still crashed.

I Fast Traveled all around the world, and it works just fine everywhere--EXCEPT what appears to be the Southwest part of the map (Kvatch, Anvil, outside of Chorrol).

Okay, I think it's one of these (which is very bad):
[img]http://i.imgur.com/d0DVu.jpg[/img]

When I turned all of them off (except Oblivion.esm of course), I can Fast Travel everywhere with no issue at all.

» Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:14 am

FCOM--did you follow the exact installation procedures outlined for the group? Because it's not the same as installing any one part. -Not meaning to insult you, but a lot of people seem to regard FCOM installation with the same thrill they'd get from reading an advanced algebra text. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1197195-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom-relz

» Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:52 am

I did this installation: http://www.oblivionmodwiki.com/index.php/FCOM

And I followed it step by step.

Do you think it could have something to do with me using FCOM_Convergence.esm and FCOM_Convergence.esp at the same time? On that Wiki, it does NOT say to use the .esp, but it does not specifically say to only use the .esm. I was told to use the .esp by someone on a different Oblivion mod board.

I was just able to narrow down the problem; by disabling Mart's Monster Mod.esm (and its children, which includes FCOM_Convergence.esp), the Fast Travel works.

Also note that I've been playing this installation for 10+ hours with no problems until now.

» Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:52 am

I did this installation: http://www.oblivionmodwiki.com/index.php/FCOM

And I followed it step by step.

Do you think it could have something to do with me using FCOM_Convergence.esm and FCOM_Convergence.esp at the same time? On that Wiki, it does NOT say to use the .esp, but it does not specifically say to only use the .esm. I was told to use the .esp by someone on a different Oblivion mod board.

I was just able to narrow down the problem; by disabling Mart's Monster Mod.esm (and its children, which includes FCOM_Convergence.esp), the Fast Travel works.

Also note that I've been playing this installation for 10+ hours with no problems until now.

Yes, you should definitely use both FCOM_Convergence.esm and FCOM_Convergence.esp. Follow http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1197195-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom-relz/ and the FCOM homepage (linked from the former).

EDIT: Your load order looks quite OK as far as I can tell so I would scale back quite a bit, to a core FCOM install plus musts. Trouble shooting w/o any known culprits and a huge load order can be daunting. Doubt it is connected to any FCOM mod. But perhaps someone sees something - I'm not that familiar with the UL's, for example.

Minor note:

** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp - Skip. Only use the FCOM esp below (but install all resources).

» Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:26 am

It's still crashing with this load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp07  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp08  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp09  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0B  Fran Armor Add-on.esp0C  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp0D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp0E  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0F  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]11  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]12  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]13  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]14  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

What now?

» Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:57 am

It's still crashing with this load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp07  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp08  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp09  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0B  Fran Armor Add-on.esp0C  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp0D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp0E  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0F  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]11  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]12  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]13  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]14  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

What now?

Double check all installs, i.e. that you have the bsa's correctly named etc. But something like that would be obvious from the start (crashes, missing meshes), so sounds like a long shot when already in Chorrol. Another long shot is that it is caused by a bad spawn, but that sounds a bit implausible as well. Worth a shot, anyway - wait 4 days for a respawn before fast traveling there.

» Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:02 am

Waited for 4 days for cell respawn, that didn't work. All of my .bsa are named correctly. Tried resetting Oblivion.ini too, that didn't work.