To each his own ... I don't think I could ever play with vanilla 1st Person anims again ..they are so flat .... One thing about using this mod ... if your used to having your running speed "speeded" up ..it will look really goofy now ... this mod fill force you to keep the speed more realistic.

I find I actually walk a lot now when I play & run when I need to ... before this mod I just left run on all the time.

Yeah right, the vanilla animations are "a little" flat, but the 3rd person ones were just too much...for me.
I dont have my running speed speeded up but to me it still looked, in your words, goofy.
I tried just to walk when using your mod, but as always walking was just too slow, which is why I also leave run on all the time...I like that.^^

But is there a way to use ONLY the...uhm...weapon holding and fighting animations while still keeping the vanilla walking anims?

Ah, okay. It's great to know that it is fixable rather than an unexplained quirk of my personal game. No apologies necessary.

Edit: Btw, This may be totally different but I am seeing the double hands (fingers sticking out of fists) even when using the esp. That, however, I can handle ignoring which is why I never mentioned it. But, while you're at fixing the sound....just in case.

OK I tested this on My game PC with the file that is online & the sounds all work in My game.

I must still have the old beta on My PC at work .....

That's weird....I have no idea why this would be happening on mine since I have the latest version. Plus the problem with the hands plagues me as well.

I should probably mention that I'm not using any beast bodies, just the regular main armor plugin in case it matters. The date on the esp is 12_29_08 in the archive on PES.

Must be a install issue ... especially the hands

Install issue? All there is to is is dropping the Anims in the meshes folder and ticking the esp in Wrye Mash (or whichever utility you use). I'd guess it must be a conflict rather than install issue. I've reinstalled and uninstalled it while testing more than once and I am 200 percent sure I put those few meshes in the right place.

Also, I added some info to my last post above that you may have missed, though it probably doesn't mean much.

Read the readme ..... the esp's are "not" optional .....

What the heck are you talking about? I told you in my post that I DID have the esp activated. Geez, I read the read me long before I came here to ask for a little assistance. No reason to have an attitude. Perhaps you should read my post instead.

Oh! The fingers thing got fixed? ^^ Excellent. I never knew. Thanks for the fix Darknut.

@Artistika
When you say 'double hands' do you mean the pinky and ring fingers on the hands are sticking out while the hands are supposed to be balled in a fist? Or is this completely different?

Darknut I'd like to compliment you on the genius of your mod. Makes the game much less stiff, and much more immersive. I feel like a [censored] walking around with my giant axe taking up half my screen.

Thanks ... I can't play without it either at this point

I just found this mod and, dear gawd... The awesomeness of it is almost overwhelming.

Pwin, thanks for taking an interest.
It is just as you describe when the hands are supposed to be in a fist, there are a couple of fingers showing through.
I'm also having the issue where the crossbow sound is broken whenever I am using this mod. Neither of these issues are present without this mod and the rest of the mod works normally. It has to be some sort of conflict but I've uninstalled this mod since I see no real way to fix it without taking my mods list apart. I'll watch for a fix. A lot of people never bother to report issues so I will just have to watch for someone else to report it and see if they find a fix or if they can note some sort of mod conflict.

I appreciate the thought, though.

I agree that this mod is a nice change from Vanilla style animations, though.

The fix with the hands was supposed to be out for awhile now I guess (a month or so). It was reported a long time ago in the WIPz thread. But a few pages back he updated the mod with a fix.

I guess I'll test it out too then...Never tried out a crossbow...Couldn't hurt to have another person test it?

That's very nice of you, Pwin. Thank you.
I wonder, is there anyone else who uses a human character who can use a crossbow with sound and whose hands are showing correctly? I keep wondering if it has anything to do with my particular version of the mod. Can anyone verify that humans work correctly as well?

Works fine for me. I've got crossbow sounds, magic sounds (only tried mysticism, but didn't try any target spells), and no more issues with the 'double hands'. Must be a conflict with something else then or somehow a bad installation (as DN said). I'm betting on the conflict though. But what could conflict with it?

I think you should try to find out what the mod isn't working with. Have you tried running a game with just the Beth ESMs and 1st person enhanced yet?

Edit: Just to make sure, when was the last time you downloaded the mod?

Do you guys use this mod with any animation replacers?

Pwin, thanks a lot for testing it. Would you be kind enough to tell me: 1. Which race were you using? 2. Exactly which esps did you have activated at the time of testing?

The thing about a bad install is that the mod is working entirely, except for the two problems. These two problems are directly tied to this mod and were verified problems prior to this version. How would everything be working as designed if it were not installed correctly? These problems are not out of the blue due to bad installs, either. These were problems with the original version and they are also due to people not having the esps activated. I DO have the esps activated. There is no possible way that it is due to installation. Otherwise, the mod just wouldn't work, and it certainly wouldn't run as perfectly as it does with the exception of those two problems. Also, for the record, I have been using mods for years. I do a lot of modding myself and I rarely run into issues that I cannot resolve myself. I am an avid reader of readmes and I only ask for help once I'm sure I have tried everything I can think of.

Please bear that in mind. I understand that I am not impervious to making mistakes, however I have gone over and over this, installing it again and again just to make sure and there is absolutely no way it has not been done correctly.

At this point, I just want to know what is wrong out of sheer curiosity. I am okay living without this and wouldn't even be here trying to figure it out still had Pwin not been kind enough to inquire. I will do some mod list tearing apart over the weekend and see what I can come up with, though I doubt if anyone actually cares. (Excluding Pwin, that is)

Peace.

Here what has to happen for this mod to work correctly:

1: Get the mod from PES or GHF
2: have "Betterbodies" installed in the default locations ( not plug endless )
3: have Liztails or Slof's Beast bodies installed.
4: have 2 esps checked ... Armor & bodies ( the body esp that matches which ever beast bodies you use )


If you did all this & it still doesn't work right then it has to be a conflict with another mod .....

I sure don't know what mod it would be .... I tested this Myself with over 200 mods & most everyone else seems to be getting it to work ( granted some easier than others )

Post your mod load order ....

^^" I did not mean to offend with the mod installation issue. It was more to let DN know that I wasn't ignoring his post and not just trying to make him look bad. ^^"

I was using a male Dark Elf. Used a Dwarven Crossbow with Sparkbolts.

I had a very large list of mods...should have tried with just beth esms though. I'll try again with just the beth esms next time though.

Anyway, here is the mod list I used Artistika:
Masters for DistantL0000.ess:
001 Morrowind.esm
002 Tribunal.esm
003 Bloodmoon.esm
004 Morrowind Patch v1.6.4.esm
005 H.E.L.L.U.V.A._Merchant_Containers.esm (Version 1.0)
006 Better Heads.esm
007 Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
008 Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
009 WeatheredSigns.esp
010 Balance - NPC Spellcasting.esp
011 Balance - game settings.esp
012 Gameplay - Dialogue.esp
013 Balance - Magic Effects.esp
014 Balance - spells.esp
015 Balance - Character.esp
016 Balance - items.esp
017 LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp (Version 0.83)
018 Birthsigns.esp
019 Emmas_Imperial_heads_1_0.esp
020 Better Bodies.esp
021 Emmas_breton_faces_1_0.esp
022 MWE_Base.esp
023 Galsiahs Character Development.esp
024 Emmas_redguard_faces_1_0.esp
025 P.R.E. v4.0.esp
026 Clean Morrowind_Cities_Unlocked.esp
027 emma_highelf_fem_v1_0.esp
028 Clean Morrowind_Cities_Unlocked_TB.esp
029 Emmas_dunmer_faces1_0.esp
030 Clean Morrowind_Cities_Unlocked_BM.esp
031 GCD better balanced birthsigns.esp
032 Emmas_woodelf_faces_1_0.esp
033 Vampire_Embrace.esp
034 Emma_nord_heads.esp
035 Vampire Realism II.esp (Version 2.2)
036 Vampire Realism II - VH Patch.esp
037 Clean Morrowind_Bandits_Unlocked.esp (Version 1.0)
038 Vampire Realism II - TB Add-On.esp
039 Lgnpc_SN.esp (Version 0.31)
040 horationpcenhanced12-ve.esp
041 Vampire Realism II - BM Add-On.esp
042 Vampire Realism II - VE Patch.esp
043 Slof's Better Beasts b.esp
044 LOCH_Master_Head_Pack_.esp
045 Slof's BB neck fix.esp
046 Better Clothes_v1.1_nac.esp
047 Vampiric Hunger Base.esp
048 Emma_Imp_headp2.esp
049 Emma_bret_headp2.esp
050 Vampiric Hunger Extended.esp
051 Vampiric Hunger MGE Addon for MGE 1.11+.esp
052 BB_Clothiers_of_Vvardenfell_v1.1.esp
053 Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
054 Corean_Hair_in_Morrowind.esp
055 LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp (Version 1.10)
056 LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp (Version 1.20)
057 LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_11.esp (Version 1.11)
058 LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp (Version 1.32)
059 Illy's Fresh Faces.esp
060 Fliggerty's Fleeing Fetchers.esp
061 npce_mwse_patch.esp
062 Emma_highelf2.esp
063 Health Indicators MWSE.esp
064 Universal Companion Share.esp
065 KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp (Version 1.3)
066 UQFsMasterFacePack.esp
067 Antares' Big Mod 5.esp
068 SpellFix_WGI.esp
069 LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_13.esp (Version 1.13)
070 LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_13.esp (Version 1.13)
071 LGNPC_TelMora_v1_11.esp (Version 1.11)
072 LGNPC_Khuul_v2_01.esp (Version 2.01)
073 LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_03.esp (Version 2.03)
074 LGNPC_Indarys_Manor_v1_45.esp (Version 1.45)
075 New Khajiit Diversity(BEAST)X.esp
076 Vampire_Embrace-jms_combat_bite_patch.esp
077 Emma_orc_f_heads1.esp
078 H.E.L.L.U.V.A. Bountiful Books.esp (Version 1.0)
079 Vality's Ascadian Isles Addon.esp
080 LGNPC_Secret_Masters_v1_21.esp
081 Definitive Birthsigns Unofficial Patch.esp
082 DB-UP GCD Patch.esp
083 Murderous Dreams_Safe.esp
084 H.E.L.L.U.V.A. Complete Weapons.esp
085 Vality's Bitter Coast Addon.esp
086 H.E.L.L.U.V.A. Awesome Armor_Completion Set.esp
087 Vality's Balmora Addon.esp
088 LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_10.esp (Version 1.10)
089 LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_42.esp (Version 1.42)
090 Chargen_Revamped_v2_3.esp
091 LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_12.esp (Version 1.12)
092 Go To Jail 3.5 - T B.esp
093 Illy's Redguards.esp
094 Westly Presents_Half Races of Tamriel_X.esp
095 Leveled Goth Attire Complete.ESP
096 Westly Presents_Tahnuk_Races.esp
097 Bloated Caves.esp
098 Graphic Herbalism.esp
099 Graphic Herbalism Extra.esp
100 Khajiit Night Eye Toggle.ESP
101 Argonian wb toggle.ESP
102 DN_1st_Person_Armor.esp
103 LadyD_Reduced_Commentary.esp
104 Pursuit Enhanced.esp
105 Kalian's Hairs.esp
106 Dirnae's Slower Walk.ESP
107 Hold it ressource.esp
108 Starfires NPC Additions ver-1.11.esp
109 DN_1st_Person_bodies-AS.esp
110 Hold it replacer.esp
111 Hold it - SF npc addon.esp
112 Starfires NPC Additions - Patrols Addon ver 0.5 BETA.esp
113 No Disp Drop.esp
114 Mashed Lists.esp


The mod does work for you when no other mods are active though, right? =S That would be the easiest way of finding out if its a conflict at least.

Thanks guys, I will get to testing it out this evening. Pwin you are awesome. If I could give you an award, I would. Any requests for mods? I can make you something in return.

My big question right now is:

Darknut, are you saying that even if you are using a human character, you must also be using a beast bodies replacer to use this mod? I think that might be the problem. I have read the readme a few times over (more than a few times, in fact) but I got the impression that those body replacers were needed for Beast Race players, especially since there is no need to have them if you're not playing a beast race. Most people probably use replacers, even with human characters, which may be why no one has reported it....Although, I have no idea.

I think I'm misunderstanding things a bit....
As a human character, I don't use a beast replacer since I like to eek as much performance I can and cut out mods I don't necessarily need for each game. That's the reason I don't use the beast mods in this game.
I guess I am the only one here that doesn't, heh.

I'm not sure if that will fix the issues but I don't think you meant to make it so that human characters relied on beast races as well...? Someone would probably have said something about needing the beast mods even with humans if it was altogether clear...
I'm not sure. Maybe I'm the only stooopid one.

Thank you again.

They are listed as required, so to my knowledge you will need to have them in your game no matter what to use this mod.

And, I would imagine you are probably correct that most in here use them already, as body replacers have become pretty standard installs in the Morrowind Community, regardless of if you play the race of not (so the NPCs don't look cruddy is the main reasons for it).

I would say try the Beast Bodies out and see if that works.

Yes you have to use one or the other beast replacers ..... the DN_1st_Person_bodies.esp looks for Liztails beast so if they are not there it causes a error.

Since U'r playing a human You could prob install liztail's beast & not use the esp's so they would not show up in game but 1st Person Enhanced would find them.

I know I'm not perfect & I don't mean to sound like a butt ...but everything in the readme that says "is required".... 'IS" required" .... I don't know how else to say it ....

Hope this fixes it for you

Let us know if that fixes it for you.

DN, I'm still getting the fingers sticking out of the fist when using gloves (though it is fixed now when I'm not using gloves. Its not really a big deal since I don't normally use them anyway).

I'll test again with just the required files to make sure.

Oh, do you think I can ask about how you got the clothing and armors to show up on the body? I'd like to see about getting some of my community clothes showing up on my pc. ^^" I like my female models as much as the next guy, but looking straight down is only entertaining for so long .