(RELz) FCOM Convergence and UFCOM : IV - Oblivion

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:23 am

How's the new update doing?

I can't wait for the "Vanilla spawns" plug in because I hate fighting so many enemies... I just stopped playing FCOM xD

I always thought OOO was okay, but whith fcom even with the spawns reduced there where so many... my computer isn't vvery good and it lags a lot (althought I can play fallout 3 with some texture pack and lot's of mods with out problems)

I'd rather play vanilla spawns with 60 or 70% difficulty than this.... I dont know it feels more realistic imo...

If there was an easy way to do it in the construction set can you tell me?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:39 am

Thanks. Getting rid of the doubled-up Fran versions of Dungeon Chests and Adventurers seems to have resolved my Dungeon-based CTD issues. Go figure! =P

Got another one for you: On the first page of this thread at the bottom is a note about some Optimized Frans New Items and New Creatures BSAs by Arthmoor. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZAENT2I2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NB1V4HTS)

Are you recommending we use these instead of the ones that come with the latest version of Frans? They are almost twice as big for some reason, but say they fix a lot of meshes and such. Just wondering if they are compatible/built for the same version (4.5b).

EDIT: I'm guessing it must be compatible, otherwise you guys wouldn't have included it.

Fixed and uncommpressed, so larger

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:42 am

OOO is the last thing affecting is aside from the bashed patch (which changes the radius and sound);

Due to having one crash where I was dropping something other than a torch though, I think it has to do with dropping any item while a 2-handed item (or 1h+shield) is equipped, as that would explain the crashes when I draw a weapon/1h+shield while having a torch equipped, or trying to equip a torch from the menu while having the weapons drawn, and the rare occurance where it crashed when I had weapon+shield drawn and I had dropped some armor

Read the last few post above About torches has usually problems with those come from script's not being attached to them correctly. With new features of bash sometimes the UOP script's get attached to them instead of OOO script.

Make sure you are importing scripts on OOO.esp and see if that make a difference..(May have to manually add the tag itself)

How's the new update doing?

I can't wait for the "Vanilla spawns" plug in because I hate fighting so many enemies... I just stopped playing FCOM xD

Unofficial FCOM that is posted on the First Page is last Update that has been Posted. BSA for testing are posted on the first page has well.

The Next UFCOM is centered more around Cobl Itself has both OOO and MMM have New Loot system and Cobl Support Built In. Massive Changes to Npc and Creatures..Plus a whole slew of fixes has well.

If you need Vanilla Rates in FCOM then Use the MMM Spawn Rate Vanilla Plugin that will lower the number down to vanilla rates has MMM is what is dominate when it comes to most npc/creature leveledlist and count's itself.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:11 pm

Read the last few post above About torches has usually problems with those come from script's not being attached to them correctly. With new features of bash sometimes the UOP script's get attached to them instead of OOO script.

Make sure you are importing scripts on OOO.esp and see if that make a difference..(May have to manually add the tag itself)

Speaking of that, Thanks for the help. I didn't realize I had an old version of Wrye Bash. Updating it fixed the problem.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:25 pm

I can't wait for the "Vanilla spawns" plug in because I hate fighting so many enemies... I just stopped playing FCOM xD

Apart from Corepc's suggestion there is the option to use the FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger plug-in.
It greatly reduces both spawn points and and the number of critters in those spawns.
Be warned though that it was designed for hard nose players (idiots like me) and makes enemies significantly tougher. Unless your used to playing the mod with the difficulty set at more than 65% it may be one you'll want to avoid. :ahhh:

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:22 pm

Apart from Corepc's suggestion there is the option to use the FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger plug-in.
It greatly reduces both spawn points and and the number of critters in those spawns.
Be warned though that it was designed for hard nose players (idiots like me) and makes enemies significantly tougher. Unless your used to playing the mod with the difficulty set at more than 65% it may be one you'll want to avoid. :ahhh:

Thanks for reminding me of that. I've been meaning to switch as I can get too large spawns for comfort with Slightly Reduced. For example, I had c. 1-3 FPS plus long freezes the entire time when fighting 11 bandits outside Fort Homestead. I'm actually fighting FPS rather than FCOM at such times (anything but AoE spells is useless...), although that was extreme.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:02 am

Yeah I used to use the spawn rates stronger... but there're like x2 the enemies in vanilla anyway hahaha

What about combining spawn rates stronger and vanilla spanws from MMM?

And heh, when will the official fcom update come?
And the OOO one ?

Can't wait for those!

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:43 pm

I am running an full FCOM setup, my game is fairly stable but not (you guessed it) in the wilderness. I occasionally get CTD's out in the wild, this happens randomly anywhere in the world.
As FCOM dominates my entire game world it has to be related to it, can you guys spot any plugins that shouldn't be used with FCOM anymore?

Just in case, I haven't altered my Oblivion ini file, I only turned off all the autosave features in the ini. Furthermore I use OSR (latest) and OBSE.

Load Order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.4.1]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]09  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0A  HorseCombatMaster.esm0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.8]0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]12  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  Fran Armor Add-on.esp14  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp15  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.3.5]++  phinix-waterfix.esp16  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp17  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]18  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.2]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  FineWeapons.esp19  PureSteelBlade.esp**  mz_Shields_SI.esp1A  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp**  Armamentium female.esp1B  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]1D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]1E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp1F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]21  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp22  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]23  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]24  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]25  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]26  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]27  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]28  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]29  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2A  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Archery_Deadly.esp++  FCOM_Archery_Deadly_Armamentarium.esp++  FCOM_Archery_Deadly_RealSwords.esp++  FCOM_Archery_Deadly_Artifacts.esp**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2E  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2F  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  FineWeapons for OOO.esp**  Fransfemale.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp30  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]31  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]32  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp33  Knights.esp34  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp35  Mighty Umbra.esp36  MannimarcoRevisited.esp37  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]39  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp3A  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]3B  VisiblyUnlimited.esp3C  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp3D  RealisticForceMedium.esp3E  RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp3F  EnchantmentMastery.esp40  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]41  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]42  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]43  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]44  RenGuardOverhaul.esp45  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]46  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]47  Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp48  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp49  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]4A  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]4B  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]4C  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]4D  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp4E  Get Wet.esp++  Real Lava 1.3.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]4F  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]50  Bashed Patch, 0.esp51  Streamline 3.1.esp

As I have read in various topics many times before, it must be possible to get a very stable FCOM game almost crash free, as I myself cannot see any issues in this load order or outdated mods, what then can be the issue?
I am very curious to know how to get this thing stable, as proved by others to be possible, what on earth is wrong with this setup then? It is pretty basic anyway.

I of course meant no offense with this, sometimes I just wonder if it truly is possible to get an (almost) crash free FCOM game. I mean, what have I done differently than others who have??

Thanks

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:24 pm

I am running an full FCOM setup, my game is fairly stable but not (you guessed it) in the wilderness. I occasionally get CTD's out in the wild, this happens randomly anywhere in the world.
As FCOM dominates my entire game world it has to be related to it, can you guys spot any plugins that shouldn't be used with FCOM anymore?

As I have read in various topics many times before, it must be possible to get a very stable FCOM game almost crash free, as I myself cannot see any issues in this load order or outdated mods, what then can be the issue?
I am very curious to know how to get this thing stable, as proved by others to be possible, what on earth is wrong with this setup then? It is pretty basic anyway.

I of course meant no offense with this, sometimes I just wonder if it truly is possible to get an (almost) crash free FCOM game. I mean, what have I done differently than others who have??

Thanks

Well all i can say is that having many mods can take up alot of memory and it could be that you go beyond the 1.6~1.8 gb limit. What you could do is use oblivion stutter remover. (http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208), then download laatido(www.musikbanken.se) and LBAA patch oblivion.exe and try if that removes your crashes. I have an over extensive mod list and i'm always crash free.

My modlist

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Edit: You have to use the heap replacer of obsr tho in combination with the lbaa patch. THe standard heap will be very slow with too much memory.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:24 pm

Read the last few post above About torches has usually problems with those come from script's not being attached to them correctly. With new features of bash sometimes the UOP script's get attached to them instead of OOO script.

Make sure you are importing scripts on OOO.esp and see if that make a difference..(May have to manually add the tag itself)

OOO had the tags set properly, but....the issue has fixed itself apparently;

I had thought I had been narrowing it down to OBSE plugins causing the issue (namely OSR), as I could reproduce the crash with it enabled, but not with it disabled, so I thought that perhaps it was the optional heap thing I turned in in the OSR ini file;

For whatever reason though, it all of a sudden works, with the exact same setup I had before, same options, Bash, everything, but I can't reproduce the crash with OBSE anymore!

Which, I'm very happy about, but I wish I knew just what fixed it, since the setup is exactly the same >|

Anyhow, thanks for all your help, we'll see if it comes back in a few days I guess

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:01 pm

I am running an full FCOM setup, my game is fairly stable but not (you guessed it) in the wilderness. I occasionally get CTD's out in the wild, this happens randomly anywhere in the world.
As FCOM dominates my entire game world it has to be related to it, can you guys spot any plugins that shouldn't be used with FCOM anymore?

Just in case, I haven't altered my Oblivion ini file, I only turned off all the autosave features in the ini. Furthermore I use OSR (latest) and OBSE.

Load Order:

snip

As I have read in various topics many times before, it must be possible to get a very stable FCOM game almost crash free, as I myself cannot see any issues in this load order or outdated mods, what then can be the issue?
I am very curious to know how to get this thing stable, as proved by others to be possible, what on earth is wrong with this setup then? It is pretty basic anyway.

I of course meant no offense with this, sometimes I just wonder if it truly is possible to get an (almost) crash free FCOM game. I mean, what have I done differently than others who have??

Thanks

What chris_1979 said. I have a very stable game - my only issue is overload CTD's, i.e. the game will crash eventually if I keep on playing for a long time. But I had my very first CTD on Lvl 8 or something with this install, so my issue is rather stressing my old rig beyond the call of duty with FCOM, texture replacers, RAEVWD etc.

But I had random CTD's even with the vanilla game - most of which seemed to be related to background processes interfering and/or other system issues. After I switched to playing on a clean boot - and becoming quite obsessive with defragging, cleaning the registry etc., those CTD's have gone away completely I'd say. In fact, you could say that it was Oblivion that forced me to learn to keep the system in top trim.

Also, with one FCOM install a long while ago I had rather severe stability issues even if everything seemed perfectly installed, load ordered etc. And dev_akm recommended me to strip back the mod list to a minimized core FCOM install, which worked perfectly. (Which is why I often recommend it I guess.) Oddly enough, I could then slowly add back mods and ended up basically where I started but with a stable game.

Anyway, I'd say a stable game is primary - so I'd try that if nothing else seems to help.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:35 am

And heh, when will the official fcom update come?
And the OOO one ?

Quite possibly never as we've currently no contact with dev_akm.
We should probably remove the proposed 9.9.5 version from the opening post as without his input most of the quoted additions/alterations almost certainly won't happen.
Until such time work continues with unofficial updates to both mods.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:03 pm

What chris_1979 said. I have a very stable game - my only issue is overload CTD's, i.e. the game will crash eventually if I keep on playing for a long time. But I had my very first CTD on Lvl 8 or something with this install, so my issue is rather stressing my old rig beyond the call of duty with FCOM, texture replacers, RAEVWD etc.

But I had random CTD's even with the vanilla game - most of which seemed to be related to background processes interfering and/or other system issues. After I switched to playing on a clean boot - and becoming quite obsessive with defragging, cleaning the registry etc., those CTD's have gone away completely I'd say. In fact, you could say that it was Oblivion that forced me to learn to keep the system in top trim.

Also, with one FCOM install a long while ago I had rather severe stability issues even if everything seemed perfectly installed, load ordered etc. And dev_akm recommended me to strip back the mod list to a minimized core FCOM install, which worked perfectly. (Which is why I often recommend it I guess.) Oddly enough, I could then slowly add back mods and ended up basically where I started but with a stable game.

Anyway, I'd say a stable game is primary - so I'd try that if nothing else seems to help.

I see, well after all it seems very reasonable anyway, I just wondered if there was anything wrong with my FCOM setup. I also do a lot of defragging and other system cleans. However it happens always, well nearly always 9/10 times out in the wild.

So I wondered if there were some incompatibilities in my LO.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:45 pm

I see, well after all it seems very reasonable anyway, I just wondered if there was anything wrong with my FCOM setup. I also do a lot of defragging and other system cleans. However it happens always, well nearly always 9/10 times out in the wild.

So I wondered if there were some incompatibilities in my LO.

Nothing that pops out as suspicious to me, although I don't keep track on the latest versions/possible fixes for all of them.

Anyway, as you seemed to wonder about FCOM's stability I'd say that UFCOM in itself seems to be very stable IMO, so it's not like random CTD's is unavoidable with it.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:39 pm

I occasionally get CTD's out in the wild, this happens randomly anywhere in the world.

++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

2B Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Remove MMM More Passive Wildlife that should help cut down on randmon ctd that could be happening has it buggy with current version.

You can remove Dungeons of MMM has all that adds is one dungeon full of MMM related stuff..Not really needed..

With this version the ctd will either be in first 30 minutes or after 1 1/2 to 2 hour mark. Usually restarting the game will get you passed the first ctd, and most of time people can continue playing for hours after that..If you are not overstressing your machine once again.

The next version is even more stable I think. Has the team very seldom reports ctd with it. And if they do get a ctd, restarting usually fixes the problem once again.

Corepc

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:45 pm

would having more enemy NPC spawns AND more wildlife along with more passive wildlife cause an issue?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:20 pm

Remove MMM More Passive Wildlife that should help cut down on randmon ctd that could be happening has it buggy with current version.

I'll keep that in mind. Never used it myself as I sort of like it as it is.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:04 pm

Remove MMM More Passive Wildlife that should help cut down on randmon ctd that could be happening has it buggy with current version.

You can remove Dungeons of MMM has all that adds is one dungeon full of MMM related stuff..Not really needed..

LOL you answered my question. Last question when i remove that do i need to rebuild my bash patch?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:16 pm

Remove MMM More Passive Wildlife that should help cut down on randmon ctd that could be happening has it buggy with current version.

You can remove Dungeons of MMM has all that adds is one dungeon full of MMM related stuff..Not really needed..

With this version the ctd will either be in first 30 minutes or after 1 1/2 to 2 hour mark. Usually restarting the game will get you passed the first ctd, and most of time people can continue playing for hours after that..If you are not overstressing your machine once again.

The next version is even more stable I think. Has the team very seldom reports ctd with it. And if they do get a ctd, restarting usually fixes the problem once again.

Corepc

Thanks a lot for this and the explanation, it should at least help.

LOL you answered my question. Last question when i remove that do i need to rebuild my bash patch?

You should always rebuild your bashed patch after making changes to your Load Order, that's recommended.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:14 pm

Question, my character is level 5 or 6 and i just added Fran's to the game do I need to do anything with my save game or will it be OK using it the way it is?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:36 pm

Question, my character is level 5 or 6 and i just added Fran's to the game do I need to do anything with my save game or will it be OK using it the way it is?

Did you just add FCOM or only Fran? I think you should really run the completed FCOM setup on a new game...

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:43 am

Did you just add FCOM or only Fran? I think you should really run the completed FCOM setup on a new game...

I all ready had everything but Warcry and Fran's installed and running. Fran's was the only one left that I wanted to install. I have it up and running now. Somebody said there there shouldn't be any problem with installing it after i had all the other mods running.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:32 am

I all ready had everything but Warcry and Fran's installed and running. Fran's was the only one left that I wanted to install. I have it up and running now. Somebody said there there shouldn't be any problem with installing it after i had all the other mods running.

Rebuild the patch and wait out re-spawn (default 3 days) in isolation away from all npc's and creatures.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:41 pm

I was looking here http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/fcomloadorder.html and saw it loads a couple of FCOM files for Fran's. Should I deactivate and then activate just FCOM so it can add all the needed files or do I need to start over and load everything else that I'm using like OOO and MMM?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:31 am

I was looking here http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/fcomloadorder.html and saw it loads a couple of FCOM files for Fran's. Should I deactivate and then activate just FCOM so it can add all the needed files or do I need to start over and load everything else that I'm using like OOO and MMM?

Not sure exactly what you mean, but just add the FCOM Fran's esp's to the Data folder, run BOSS, rebuild patch, wait four days for respawn. If you mean how to do it via BAIN or OBMM, just deactivate/reactivate with FCOM Fran's checked, run BOSS etc.. No need to start over or anything.