Hello!
First off, let me say I am a HUGE Bethesda fan. I was introduced to "Morrowind" in 2004 when it came bundled with a video card I had bought. Played it for months and loved it. When Oblivion came out, I hustled out and bought it, and again, loved it.

I recently bought an Xbox (cheaper than building a new game PC), and a game I was told to buy for it was "FallOut 3" - based on the same Gamebryo engine as Morrowind and Oblivion. "It's Oblivion with GUNS" is what a friend said, so I bought it and again, am LOVING it.

Since there was a FallOut 3, I assumed (correctly) that there was a 1 & 2. Turns out they had Horrid graphics and look like some spin-off of Diablo or the like. But the pvssyr on these boards suggests that these games are actually "Better" scripting wise - more storyline and better missions, etc. And it seems people are still playing both 1 & 2 - if the boards are any indication.

Why not "remake" these games? Port them over to the newer Gamebryo engine? In times of recession, Movie Studio's often remake movies that they have already made in the past. It is cheaper for them as they already own the script, and they know it is a story that the public has enjoyed before - a sure fire hit - or at least that is the reasoning (though sometimes they do fail horribly). I'm not aware of any game company trying this approach though - new games in a series, yes, but not the overhaul of a old game. Might be an interesting marketing experiment...

Personally, I would buy them both if Bethesda were to remake them. There are a LOT of 18-25 year olds who never played 1, and may not have played 2 - but if they were modernized, many would run out and buy it if only to "see". I'm not sure how they would be marketed, but I really think if Bethesda could sell them for a bit of a discount compared to a newly created/released game (since most of the game is already done (dialogs, missions, etc)), Bethesda would make a mint on them, again.

I'd love to see these 2 games "modernized". I'd run out and buy them both.

I'm including a poll - maybe if enough folks vote "Yes", Bethesda might consider updating these games.

What do you think?

I'd be up for it, so long as it was nothing more than a graphics upgrade and everything else remained untouched. At the same time, seeing as I already own the original games, I don't know how much money I'd really be willing to spend just to play through them again with prettier graphics.

Funny you should bring up movie remakes. Ever notice how they stand up to the originals ? In any case, I'm not for this, the graphics are not bleeding edge : so what ?

Yes, I'm basically saying to port them as they are, but into the awesome Gamebryo engine. There would of course have to be some minor changes to gameplay, or I would imagine so, but essentially it would remain the same game the "old timers" know and love...
Just updated for those of us who've never played and hate cheezy graphics and an overhead view...

If its just a grapic upgrade and bug removal, then i would buy it. If they altered any importent game mecanismes the slightest i would not even want to touch it.

Note: I do not want Beth to use Gamebryo for it, the engine is to buggy and lack proper openGL 3.1 support.

I'll assume you forgot a "never" in your reply.
To that I have one reply - "Battlestar Galactica".
Granted, not a "movie", but the remake BLOWS the original away in soooo many ways...

Apologies but I didn't read the entirety of your post, I switched off at huge bethesda fan

From a real world perspective, I highly doubt Bethesda would dedicate their time to a remake. I'm sure they have their own ideas and visions beyond Interplay's.

From a idealistic perspective. I can't see how it would hurt, it would probably be the only comprimise for giving the original games to most of the sugar-hyped, visualy imposed younger generation of modern gamers...that makes me sound so old, christ I'm only 21 >_<

From my perspective, I honestly don't care If it was out there it would be out there for me to take as much or as little interest in it as I liked. I find it hard to see how it would be an 'improvement' rather than a simple change of perspective and engine overhaul. Bethesda would certainly have to change most of the vanilla aspects to accomodate the new style, and I think the gameplay would suffer because of this. So in a nutshell I'd have my doubts, and I wouldn't be tempted to buy it, though I'd at least be curious enough to want to try it. The proof of the pudding is in the eating afterall.

No. There is no reason to.

The original games are not only playable on modern PCs, but are commonly available at online PC game merchants.

There is too much of hollywood in PC gaming as it is. To many companies "Playing it safe" with drones, remakes and clones. Where have the innovators gone? Lets see some original work and ideas in the same franchise please.

You get a :thumbsdown: from me. Sorry that they cannot make it in"awesome" graphic as in today standards.

If you want try awesomeness, try in their original format.

What I'd like to see is a few "total conversion" Mods for FO3, that include all the places, quests, NPCs, and storylines of F1, F2, and maybe even FOT.

I reckon that any mod team worth their salt would say that this is too much of a task. In theory it's a fun idea but even that would be subjective to alot of time and effort from a team, and for free too. You've also got to consider that some of the content in FO3 is hard coded, so a 'total conversion' would either be extremely bugged or just not possible with the confines of the game.

As for FOT, the storyline and RPG aspects of that were mediocre at best But good for a more combat oriented experience.

I say no, thank you. I'd like Fallout 1 and 2 to stay in my memory as they were. Maybe the graphics don't last in these modern days, but if you have just a little bit of patience and persistency you'll enjoy yourself and won't be bothered with how it looks eventually. There's so much more to these games than they show.

You can talk about graphics all you want, but to me Fallout 1 and 2 had more unique locations design-wise than Fallout 3. It's more generic (but okay, Fallout 3 has much, much more locations). I just don't believe modern graphics will work very positively on the design of Fallout 1 and 2. It would probably look a lot like Fallout 3, which is not a big plus to me. The NPC's would have the same faces, the same bodies (I want Gizmo to be FAT if they ever decide to do this) and the same lines as the originals. Voice-over dialogue shouldn't be bothered with for every NPC out there, it would ruin the whole experience. Besides, it would probably be good for this generation of gamers to actually have to read something for a change.

I voted 'No', as we all know that everything else would not remain untouched.

Have you actually tried playing them as they are or are you just prejudiced because of the age of the graphics?

Labelling them as HORRID doesn't do justice either, they are like 10 years old! In their time they were not that bad. You can't compare graphics these days to how they were back then, its not exactly fair.

Well, that's true.

I was sort of thinking about that recently - would there really be any point in remaking the originals with nothing but updated graphics? I mean, if that's all you have to bring to the table, then what's the point of doing it at all? You can still buy the original games for very cheap right now - generally speaking, I don't think I'd be too far off-base to assume that most people who would be turned off by the outdated graphics would also have trouble getting into the gameplay as well. Pretty graphics aren't necessarily going to open up the market all that much more than it currently has.

In my experience, the best update of an older game that I've played was Sid Meier's Pirates! The new one had all the classic gameplay of the original, with prettier graphics. But also added some new wrinkles in gameplay (some of which worked better than others.) It gave players a reason to pick up the game again beyond just looking better - it was a re-invention of the game in more than just graphics.

For the original Fallouts, I'd sort of think the same would apply. There just doesn't seem to be much of a need to update nothing except for the graphics. If you were going to do this, it would almost be better to just go all the way and rework the game overall. (Though, of course, I would prefer turn-based mechanics and such.) Pirates! worked because when looked at from a modern point of the view, the old game was basically a collection of mini-games with a sort of Pirate Sim meta-game overlying all of that. Adding new mini-games into the mix just applied that design philosophy to "modernize" it more. If you were to remake Fallout 1 without adding any knowledge of game design that we've learned over the past ten years (even though just what we've learned over that time is debatable,) then you're really not giving the market anything different than the original games as-is have to offer.

All that said - I can't really say I'd care all that much, honestly, even if they did just make an Action Real-Time RPG with shooter mechanics and called it a remake of Fallout 1. I still have the original games; anything they do with a remake that I would disagree with isn't going to stop that. I might not buy the new remakes, but I honestly don't know if I would regardless. If it has nothing to offer beyond prettier visuals, I don't think it would be worth my money, necessarily. And I think for the most part, if players can't get beyond the out-dated visuals then they're not necessarily going to enjoy the gameplay of the originals anyway.

Exactly. It was great at the time and contains an great story far beyond any current game would have today. Better graphic doesn't alway mean it would turn into a great game.

There's no point in remaking them. They are perfect as-is. They run just fine under Windows XP as well. End of story.

Don't do what George Lucas did to Indiana Jones. We don't need to dig up Fallout 1 and 2 and soil them to cater to some twitch gamers who become nauseous at the sight of a 256 color game.

If you're REALLY dedicated to the series, go find the originals and buy them. Don't tell people to remake them just so that they can be played by a target audience that the games were never intended for.

There's already a remake of FO1 and 2 out.

It's called FO3.

A lot of the characters, factions, locations, storylines, etc. in FO3 were just rehashed from the previous games with different names and skins. If you've played FO3, then you've just been given a crash course on FO1 and 2.

F3 was a complete crap attempting to use the Fallout name to sell games. It got nothing at all to do with Fallout.

They were created in late 1990's dumb ass. No game had advanced 3D features back then.

Now now, let's not get the mods on a posts deleting frenzy

Technically, and subject to personal opinion accross the board, the visuals could be graded from average to horrid. It's true, visuals were never Fallout's strong point. Yes the games are over 10 years old, but lets not get caught up in all that

Fair enough. You may have misunderstood my post though.

Any new fans who request a remake because they don't want to play the classics (which are readily available) because they can't look past the graphics, TB combat, etc, already have a "remake" of the previous games in FO3. There's so much content in FO3 that pays tribute to the originals at best and blatantly rips them off at worst. It's no secret that FO3 was made more for the benefit of new fans. So while a lot of the content may seem new and exciting to them, they were just "been there, done that" to old fans like me (and you?). You know what I'm talking about, don't you?

Here are some examples:

I could go on, but there's just so much.

And no, I don't want to argue about whether the above are tributes or ripoffs. Point is, FO3 copies so much past content that it's practically a condensed version of the past two games with 3D graphics for new fans to enjoy.

So new fans, don't fret. You've already got your Gamebryo remake in FO3. If you want to know the story, read the Wiki. Or better yet, play the originals. I dread to think what an identical remake of the originals with Beth's 80 character dialogue limit and watered down version of SPECIAL would be.

To be honest, I found FO1's graphics AT THAT TIME to be barely passable compared to other ISO/tile games of that period, including Ultima 7. That didn't stop me from liking the game though.

Indeed. Fallout was never a good looking game, even in its day is graphics were seen as a bit of a weak link.

But they did the job, thats all that matters.

Ultimas had pretty much equal graphics.
I only played Ultima Online, though.