Remember when Todd said DLC will feel like expansions? Kotaku remembers. It is referenced and questioned in this fairly written article, though it is not the main focus of it. http://kotaku.com/farewell-skyrim-473572396

So where is the DLC that feels like an expansion? Dragonborn could possibly fit that, but only barely, and it is only one. Todd spoke of multiple. I will never believe a thing that comes out of his mouth after the lies before the game's release, and afterward.

Bethesda not doing any more DLC seems unfinished somehow. I never did get what I was hoping for from Skyrim. It is one of my favorite games of all time, but I feel disappointed. I think it might be because it is all a cold climate. I was hoping to go somewhere warm and different. Even Solstheim felt largely the same as Skyrim.

Anyway, the game is still amazing. I guess I am just a little disappointed, but that won't stop me from buying TES VI - though I may wait for it to come down in price as opposed to my traditional pre-orders. I think DLC is important with a game like this. A vanilla release only sets up the foundation for all that the game has potential for. The DLC can really make it shine, but Bethesda failed here (Dragonborn aside). Dawnguard and especially Hearthfire did not do enough to add to the incredible experience of Skyrim. I guess it is up to modders now, but even after all this time I see nothing that really catches my eye there.

Just my opinion. What do you guys think?

Dawnguard, contrary to popular belief, was pretty big as far as DLC goes.

Hearthfire looks good

Yes as big as it was but it didn't feel as an expansion pack at all.

Didn't people learn by now not to trust anything that Todd or Bethesda say?

Personally, i'll be taking any news they have on VI or any of their games with a grain of salt from now on.

Yeah it was.

People just want the team to put outragouse amount of work into DLC.

Wha? Dawnguard was nowhere near being an expansion. It added a quest.


And you surely can't be saying that Hearthfire was expansion worthy, are you??


And no, I am not one of the ones that want more DLC. I'm quite happy they are onto the next project.

Don't know, dont have DLC yet

Anyone who says Dawnguard or Hearthfire is like an expansion needs to go back and play Baldur's Gate and learn what a REAL expansion is. Or Tribunal or Shjivering Isles for that matter.

Dawnguard was quantifiably larger than Tribunal and Knights of the Nine. Shocking, I know. At most, it's about the same size of Tribunal.

I'm not saying it's better, but it is large.

Ahhh, I understand now. Well in the context you seemed to be saying that maybe Hearthfire was comparable to an expansion.. Which it really isn't. I'm sure it's a nice addition to the game, especially for console users. But it's nowhere near being considered an expansion.

But yeah, it looks neat. I bought it a couple months ago and still haven't done anything with it.

Someone just got burned.

You know you're going to have to back that up, right? Knights of the Nine? Sure. But Tribunal?!?! Are you mad?

I'm not sure this really makes any sense. Giving opinion is a burn now?

I agree that Dawnguard adds more than Knights of the Nine, but I wouldn't classify Knights of the Nine as an expansion either.


Almost forgot... Oooooh burn!

Cool story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ne1fVhvL00

If their not an expansion then what are they?

The only expansion you guys will accept is an entire game.

Nope. I think Tribunal was better, but they added generally about the same amount of things. Their file sizes were about the same size, I know that for a fact.

Especially in today's standard, Dawnguard is pretty close to expansion pack. It was over 5 times larger than Knights of the Nine.

Well, after I read through this: http://kotaku.com/5885983/bethesda-skyrim-dlc-will-feel-more-like-expansion-packs

I conclude that nothing Todd Howard said or implied there has turned out to be false. He said that Skyrim DLC will, in comparison with Fallout 3's DLC, have "more meat on them" and will "feel closer to an expansion pack". That's true; you might have wanted DG/DB to be bigger, but that doesn't make what Todd said false.

Todd also said that they want to release little things for free in between the larger DLC. That has turned out to be true, with numerous free patches including new features.

Todd also said that they were somewhat unsure of exactly how they were going to support the game post-release, and were relying on feedback from people who play Skyrim. And it certainly feels that way in a lot of the patches. They've fixed bugs (unfortunately, not all of them, and even then not flawlessly), but they've resisted balancing certain "exploits" because these exploits allow for greater character customisation.

Really, my conclusion is that the OP is disappointed that there will be no new Skyrim DLC. But OP is wrong to suggest that Bethesda has at any time said or implied that they were going to deliver more than they in fact have.

They are DLC. You are obviously too young to know what real expansions are.

The file size has nothing to do with it. The resolution of textures, and quality of audio alone accounts for the disparity.

Tribunal added a huge new city (bigger than all cities in Skyrim put together), plus an amazing underground labyrinth, new armor, weapons, items, decor, textures, quests, etc. Dawnguard had you prancing around the vanilla game with very little original things added.

Honestly, it's crazy reading these posts about people wanting to visit a whole new province or some other ridiculous things for DLC. Even reading through the patch suggestions, people are asking for things like entirely new factions. It's ridiculous.

I disagree with you on a lot of that, but thank you for making your point intelligently and maturely. Cheers.

Rather subjective. Personally I feel like Dawnguard and Dragonborn were expansions.

Someone needs to take off their nostalgia goggles. Mournhold was fairly small. Large by Morrowind standards, and perhaps larger then and single city in Skyrim, but not nearly larger then all of them together.

As I recall they promised 3 expansion size DLC, and hinted it would be larger than any expansions they had done previously
Add to it all the rumors of province size expansions early after release, supported by videos showing gateway to other provinces
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I think it was just publicity stunts gone wrong
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But can we hold them against them ? At least there was no horse armors
Maybe Bethesda really thought they could pull of province size expansions, then changed their mind ?
Or maybe it's just greed and they want 60$ for it.
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It's also possible they developed new technology that allow larger cities and landscape
who knows ?
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So, anyway, I was more satisfied with Skyrim than with previous titles
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One issue I had with Skyrim was the non existant awfull user interface
They put less than 10 seconds of efforts on that interface
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Then there is Peter Hines claiming they can't do multiple provinces
Yet Elder Scrolls Online is delivering all of Tamriel to your doorstep
And of course MMO are harder to pull off because you need connectivity, transaction, chat, reliability, client-server, play-balance ...
So he was stretching the truth ... a lot !!!
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*Dawnguard, contrary to popular belief, was pretty big as far as DLC goes. *
that thing was 20$ while Skyrim started at 60$. Do the maths.
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*People just want the team to put outragouse amount of work into DLC.*
sorry but Skyrim made over half a billion $ in profit within a short time after release
And that money didn't go in the development team pockets
the more DLCs they do, the larger the DLCs,
the more those peoples in the Skyrim team get rewarded for their efforts
Of course it's also a way to give back to peoples who paid for the game
(as opposed to hackers who didn't pay)
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Anyway, for me I was verry disapointed when I saw the news
But then a new game is an opportunity to improve the game mechanics

Dawnguard added 2 fortresses, the Forgotten Vale, over a handful of new dungeons, 2 new perk trees, a handful of new armour sets (with different variants), a few new spells, a handful of new artifacts, a few new summons (including a mount), a few new shouts.

I am not in the mood to defend Skyrim DLC right now, but I feel it has to be done. Dawnguard was big.

Edit: also Mournhold was definitely not that large.