The only time I think scaling may be acceptable to some extent is during the main quest, so that whether you do it at level 1 or level 30, it's still somewhat of a challenge. Though I think the scaling should be limited too; i.e. doing it at level 30 should be more rewarding and slightly less challenging than doing it at level 1. Every sidequest and cave/ruin/dungeon should be static. I'm not completely opposed to random loot but I prefer more handplaced loot and less randomly generated content when possible. Maybe have all boss chests be handplaced the first time you open them, and randomly generated all times thereafter...

No way in hell should they keep such a moronic system.

I don't want there to be level scaling. But if we have to have it, then I'd want it implemented like it was in Morrowind.

I support completely removing level scaling, however, I wouldn't mind minor level scaling, like in Morrowind, though.

This sounds like a good idea have only the main quest scaled, mabe so that during the quest youll never run into enemies 7 lvs over or under you (the number could be changed) but alll other areas are non-scaled
also your idea about the loot being scaled every other time sounds like a great idea too
for me in oblivion dungon adventuring was no fun to do all that work for a cup and 20 gold

Some scaling is fine and well, particularly on junk/non-equip items you mainly sell. . . But the problem with Oblivion was you'd go through an epic dungeon for a silver vase at level 1, and at level 25 a random highwayman would be decked in glass/daedric.


I don't want to be able to get a full set of glass at lvl 1, but I think something along the lines of FO3 is in order.

I agree. When I play RPGs, and I am a big fan, I want to kill a boss who is a higher level than me so I can have a challenge. REMOVE LEVEL SCALING! :hubbahubba:

This pretty much sums up why level-scaling is a horrible idea, and should be killed with fire.

The biggest problem with level scaling was that, depending on your character, the game got significantly harder as you got to around level 15 or so. This usually occurred if you increased non-combat skills early in the game.
Such a system is inherently broken, and I hope Bethesda learned their lesson.

In my opinion I think that level scaling should exist, but not to the extent Oblivion has it. I believe that you should maybe be able to encounter creatures fifteen levels above you, but no creatures so high above you that going in their general vicinity gets you killed. As for levelled items I think that the Oblivion scaling is pretty good, I hated the scaling mods that gave you access to the Uber stuff at level one and that meant that you would never actually change your equipment after getting full uber at level five.

Get rid of level scaling.

I think I can say for everybody here, that Oblivions leveling system was extremely frustrating. Bethesda was trying to appeal to the non-hard core RPGers with Oblivion, but everybody hated it. My friend dumped the game at level 8 because he said there was no point to leveling if you aren't getting better, and its no fun if you aren't leveling up. At the very least, no leveled armor. I think there has to be a slight amount of enemy leveling though, but something subtle. Like when you are level 1-10, the enemies are all at the normal level they should be, but for level 11-20, they are +1 level from where they were before. 21-30 +2, so on so forth. Then, you would be getting better than them, but there would still be a slight challenge until you got way up there.

Edit: And as for items, no item leveling at all. NONE! I hated seeing common thieves decked out in Elvish and Glass armor. As for random vs. Handplaced armor, I sort of want to see both. For instance, the piece of Daedric armor has a chance of being placed in these 4 dungeons. Then, the stuff would still be sort of handplaced, but I wouldn't know where to go to find it.

maybe only lv on dungeon bosses.

No level scaling

No essential NPC spam

No power leveling required stat gain system

Apologies. My point mainly is to see if the community supports the extensive level scaling that was used with Oblivion. Overwhelmingling so far, many seem to agree that seeing a bandit with full daedric armor because of one's level wasn't very immersive or realistic. I guess this really comes down to if there needs to be some level scaling, it needs to be implemented in such a way that it doesn't ruin the experience, but also keeps things moving forward. Morrowind was unpredictable, and that's why many loved it. Oblivion on the other hand, was pretty straight forward and the progression scale increased in every regard.

The raw epicness of Morrowind was lost in Oblivion with level scaling (and your magical compass that always pointed you in the right direction, but that is a different argument). You should not be able to just go anywhere in the world at the beginning of the game. If you are going to face creature at some location it shouldn't matter your level, those creatures should always be living in that particular location. Also, common bandits should not have glass armor, EVER! Level scaling makes the game lame period.

I like leveled scaling though not quite to the extent as in Oblivion but a bit more than in Morrowind. Somewhere in between would be great. And absolutely not to the extent of FO:NV.

I won't be happy even with the FO3's minimalized level scaling system in Skyrim. I want it completely gotten rid off, cleaned, rinsed, obliterated, vanquished, slapped, spanked, a$$ kicked and finally sent to the west.

Level scaling svcks. I want it removed in its entirety - destroyed - maimed - annihilated!

I want level-scaling in terms of NPC agression. If you are a lvl 30 character, or have got much fame/infamy, a single highwayman would consider it to avoid you.Excluding this erase level-scaling.

I like it the way it was in Oblivion as you shouldn't be able to equip or get Daedric Armor in the beginning of the game. Thats one of the problems with Fallouts 3 and New Vegas you could easily get incredible armor and weapons early at Level 2.

One thing I would tweak is the enemy leveling as I'd put Ogres and Minotaurs in at the start but they would be in an area that you normally wouldn't go in at low levels say for example Throat in the Mountain.

Wow! More than 10 to 1 against Level Scaling.

If that doesn't send a signal to Bethesda I don't know what would!

we need a new level system for this game and needs to be realistic enough for diehard fans and simple enough for the general population and newcomers to the Elder Scrolls

Level scaling svcks, Oblivion's level scaling is horrifying.

:swear:

No to level scaling!

Unfortunately, Bethesda seems to only siphon bad ideas from its fan base.