I am currently playing a double game with both the NCR and Legion, but I got a bit annoyed with the lack of freedom. Essentially my plan is to find out his medical condition and kill him via taking advantage of it , but I dislike how there is no other way to do it without doing what he asks of you in the fifth part of this quest. Especially annoyed by the fact that I have Max Medicine and Speech and Sciene and really high intelligence and Perception and charisma after the moment it is revealed when you come back from the fourth part of it (white gloves bit) I should be able to expose his condition without having to do what he asks with the brotherhood of the steel.


But also speech does a lot but I think you should create a seperate skill which could even be triggered by a perk called manipluation in future game or DLC, I say this because of the bit with Big Sal which was amazing. I just dont get how I can lie to people like him and not be able to lie to caesar with max med/scien/speech and high S.P.E.C.I.A.Ls (even if there was a time limit of trust whilst he sent his spys to investigate) but I just think it would be really cool to be able to really topple organisations without firing a shot and just watch it happen.

But on another note, if I get the brotherhood to join me can I still progress to the next phase to do with his medical condition? Also I dont like dont tread on the bear quest restricts your freedom and the legion opposite.


Other than that I love this game beyond belief! Paladin Toaster = Awesome.

I don't like the fact that I have to kill the Brotherhood of Steel (I'm a member) to continue with the NCR missions.

You don't, after you become a member of the Brotherhood you get the option to form truce between them and the NCR during For the Republic.

It would be cool if you could persuade the BoS to leave the mojave if you join up with Mr. House

Once you are a member (Which only can happen when Hardin is Elder) you cannot do a truce, it only happens with Macnamara or whatever his name is

I think Caeser tries to kill you if you push to much about his health. I read the Vault and it looks like you have to kill the BOS to continue with the quest line though I could be wrong.

Snore: I think Caesar only kills you if he says "Uggh, come back....tomorrow!" and you keep bugging him.

Yea, you're right thanks my memory really svcks.

On a side note...
I hate that you can no longer support the NCR after supporting House all the way up to the Omertas. House is basically sending the player to do the same exact jobs the NCR was asking for; how the hell do they know I'm visiting House?
I get they want us to choose a path, but I see no reason for working with House to cancel out the NCR option until the El Dorado Substation.

Why? They're ridiculous, gallivanting around like Knights of Yore.

Hall, you can't play every field forever eventually your going to have to make a commitment. You have plenty of freedom to play all sides to a point. If you want to do everything YOUR way then ally with Yes Man instead of agreeing to be subserviant to another faction.


You can join the brotherhood once you complete Still in the Dark, whose elder at the time is irrelevant.

well thats the thing I have joined yes man and I am goin for the independence thing , why I would of loved to be able to play the double game and weaken both NCR and Leigon loads then they dont realize I am the mole and then stab them in the back with YES MAN MUAHAHAHAHAHA

But I think just gonna steam on a head, I dont want to assasinate papa khan this time around for the NCR which is only way to progress for the republic 2 so just gonna assasinate caesar, kill the leigon bit more then go straight to yes man already alined the tribes to me minus the brotherhood.

Just wish you could

Expose Caesars medical condition earlier someway (you learn of it earlier with interrogating the captured Legion in Camp Mccran) then get close enough to medicide and JUST RUN TO THE HILLS

But it annoyed me this limit in the game, should of put a perk in like Double Agent which nullifies Dont tread on the bear and Wrath of Caesar quest like if you had to get 70 sneak so you can be a double agent.

Like be able to set up traps like tell the khans where the be or the brotherhood and the dudes be heading there thinking that they got intel on the legion or NCR and then BOOM AMBUSH crippled military who did it? Who knows! would of be awesome, but a i think a manipluation perk/skill be awesome

I'm pretty sure Macnamara makes you a full member after you do the entire Brotherhood quest line, I might be wrong though since its been awhile since I did it, I mostly just kill them off nowadays.

I believe tgl is right, you are made Paladin regardless of who is elder, although if you go an Energy Weapons NCR player, you get anolled into oblivion if you side with Hardin because he wants you to destroy the Silver Rush, and the NCR requires you to crush the BoS if Hardin is elder

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