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dearest 1999,

What the Hell? I myself am quite a neophyte in terms of lore, but your 'arguments,' or the semblance thereof, make no sense to anyone with the least knowledge of this universe. Allow me to attempt to address some of them, for addressing all of them would surely leave me with a multi-chapter publication (complete with footnotes).

Post 161: Gaming technology, while being an important vehicle for the presentation of the world, is not the basis of roleplay. many people, me included, would argue that roleplaying is carried out in pen&paper and MUDs just as well, if not better, than it is in the 'next generation' virtual environment. roleplaying a character requires living that character, and this skill comes entirely from the mind. in fact, games restrict ones ability to roleplay by fully realizing the environment in which the character resides.

Furthermore, i fail to see the connection between the possibility of roleplay in a videogame setting and the cloning of the Dwemer.

Post 167: There are two ways to survive a nuclear apocalypse: being really, really far away from it and hiding underground. it is obvious that the Dunmer chose the later. Your reasoning implies that the dunmer could not have hid in the tunnels without the help of the neo-dwemer, but this reasoning is flawed. The Dumer already have experience with underground operations (notice the numerous mines in Vvardenfel) -- not that hiding in a hole takes much skill. Furthermore, the Dwemer have no more experience with tunnels than the Dunmer do -- they are, after all, not the Dwarves of Tolkein.

Your reference to science seems, at least to me, to come out of nowhere. as i have previously stated it does not take a wealth of scientific knowledge to hide underground, and the Dunmer have demonstrated this knowledge. Other 'science' mentioned in the Loveletter is mostly metaphysics, which all mer have ample experience with (it is they, after all, who built the towers). Other technological advances can be attributed to increases metaphysical knowledge and the scientific discoveries that are bound to take place in the many years of the 4th era.

Post 170: "keepers of the Holy Obscure Texts?" This one really has me puzzled. Who are these keepers (i have inferred, form later posts, that it is the Imperial Library) and what do they have to do with the Dwemer's second coming? It is Michael Kirkbride and the rest of Bethesda who say that the Dwemer cannot return, not a set of well educated fans. I have no doubt that many of them would love to learn more of the Dwemer, so their objections to your unrelenting desire to clone a race extinct for 4000 years and reproduce their culture entirely must lie in the logical fallacy of your arguments. Your only proof Fyr's ability to 'clone' himself daughters. Obviously, since they are female, it is not really cloning but some sort of genetic engineering. we do not know how he achieved this, and therefore cannot automatically assume that he would be able to reproduce this process with Bagarn. Would Bagarn even want to see his 'race' return?

Notice, also, the delicious irony of you using the obscure texts you fight against in the preceding post.

Post 172: Once again you insist on insulting people, and once again i fail to see how it supports your argument. Based on your previous posts i assume that you defer to this tactic once your argument has been shot full of enough holes to make it sink. I'm pretty sure that an investor does not have such say in the development direction of the game. Besides, 200 million is not that much money when it comes to game development. Oblivion's flaws did not originate from Bethesda saying "hey lets make lots of money while [censored] lore in the ass."

Post 175: His saying it is impossible is backed up by 10 years of evidence, books, in game evidence, and developer acounts. You are arguing the world is flat, i am sorry that your view is 'oppressed.'

Yes, Elder Scrolls lore is wonderfully complex. it does however have limits which are, at least in this case, well defined. You cannot assume that everything is true just because a world is open-ended. I want Vivec to be an incarnation of Jesus, but that does not make it true. Just because it does not say that the Redguards fart flaming dodgeballs doesnt mean that they actually do. A logical argument is based on supporting evidence, not on the lack of refuting evidence.

Again, i do not see this nebulous entity holding you down anywhere in this thread. this thread is 9 pages of back and forth argument, if you do not like having your opinion refuted dont post it. no one ever claimed to hold the secret knowledge or guard the 'Holy Obscure Texts'

heh, 'i misspell his name because i want to.' My 5 year old brother said something like this to me last week when he was writing his Cs backwards.

from the Secret West,
Ayaan-Si

We are done here. Flaming or insinuating disrespect for other members is not acceptable. I am closing this because to clean it up would be impossible.