Well, that's sort of another unknown, really. Who's to say if the system wouldn't require the level of maintenance it does were the refugees not there to put the extra stress on it? And there's nothing indicating that the Security and civilians aren't capable of doing it themselves, they could just be putting the refugees to work in exchange for their provisions.

They clearly said that they need the refugees. They can't handle everything with just 5000 people. The refugees also live on just a small part on the ark, so they don't put too much stress on the entire ark. Only for food/water/supplies, which don't have to do anything with maintenance work.

So gather up the elderly and the sick and cast them out into the ocean on a big raft. More provisions for everybody!

well, the security and founders need of the refugees is a bit vague. especialy because the security wouldnt be really needed if they eliminated the resistance completely, so they would be free to do any maintance work needed.

Their numbers are too small to repair everything.

Exactly. People that are fixing problems that are created by their very existence don't seem very "needed" to me.

"Their numbers are too small..."

But again, who's to say that the extraneous stress on the infrastructure and system due to being overpopulated isn't what's making all that work necessary to begin with?

Edit: Didn't see you previous post. There's also no way of knowing how much they stress the infrastructure outside of Container City. I assume they travel to other areas of the Ark. I would also think they have the provisional systems working overtime to accommodate the exploded population.

if they bombed all of the resistance out of the ark without damaging anything inportant, most of security wouldnt be needed. the unneeded security starts doing the maintance.
ta~d??

Well, they won't even let them leave, so they must want them around for some reason. I don't think the Founders/Sec would want to kill them either, in the name of being humane. They never saw the Res as enemies until the war started. Even in the early Container City gameplay vids, you can hear the squad leader reminding Sec soldiers to limit casualties.

i just meant if they gave an end for the refugees, not exactly blowing them into oblivion. they find out a moral solution to the refugees and they would be ok. the problem is that they want the refugees for some reason, when they are aparently not needed.
(it might seem as if i would play the sec first, but ill be playing the res first because it seems like the odds are against them.)

So, you want to let 5.000 people do the jobs of let's say 25.000? (children + elder people not counted)
5.000 people for an entire floating city will work great. Without the refugees they will have plenty of supplies, but not enough manpower.

well, the ark was MADE for 5000 people. so it must be the necessary.

Yeah, I was under the impression that it was functioning just fine before the flood, when population was still at intended and manageable levels. Then again, who knows if they had to hire temporary contractors from the mainland or anything like that.

But it was made for testing purposes and rich people. Remember that they have been living there for over 20 years. After that period the ark needs way more maintenance then when there would have been only 5000 people for the same amount of time.

Eh. We're all just speculating.

Everything you overuse ages faster. The Ark has been overused for 20 years, by 10 times the amount of people intended. Just saying.

Well, for the speculation part: I think that the Ark was never meant to be sustainable without help from the mainland. It was a green vision and they could care for themselves, but I fail to see how they would keep everything repaired without any supplies from the mainland (you need metals, concrete, ..., It's not that they can harvest concrete from trees, right?)

Yup, with you there. The only thing I think is pretty muddy is how much the extra stress of the refugees factors into the amount maintenance necessary on the Ark. But yes, I agree that the Ark likely needed mainland support from the start.

Ah, a consensus.

Haha. Sometimes I disagree just for the sake of discussion. Though, I do get irritated sometimes by the people who pick Resistance by default just because they think any and all revolution is good, or that the downtrodden and unfortunate are always the "good" guys by nature of circumstance, and have some sort of inherent moral superiority. That's not to say that there aren't plenty of people expressing good cause and reasoning to take up arms on their side, but.... well, you probably know what I mean.

Anyway, I'm going to start with Security because I like the clean and organized aesthetics. I'm not sure I'll wind up favoring one side over the other by the end, but we'll see after the story unfolds. I'm trying to keep a balanced view, because I believe that's what SD wanted from people to a degree.

going for the athetics i would choose the resistance.
partially because i think they are badass and partially because i never liked this "clean" style (and some sec masks are just creepy, like the spec ops[which ill have] and that green one).

words failed me, its not the clen that i dont like, its the armor. i dont like the look these clothes made for combat, i just hope they wont change anything about the gameplay.
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just now i tried to edit my post above and it said i didnt have permission, but now it lets me edit.
wtf?

Right. But there ARE 50,000 people and they ARE running out of resources regardless? What doesnt work exactly and why?

There would be more than 5000 descendents with or without the refugees because the people of the ark are the generation right after the initial founders and guests. People made babies on the ark cause they cant do it on the vast expanse of ocean surrounding them.

a strict only 2 childs per family law would solve that.

I was thinking more of 1 child per family.

1 child per family would make the number of habitants to drop