In Response to a thread I recently thought of..

Post » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:02 pm

I distinctively remember a thread about an discussion of whether or not the main characters of the TES games were all one in the same..

The upstanding proof was this..
- Maybe the Emporer in Oblivion recognized you from the past events, not really dreaming about you.
- It is likely that He may have lost his memory..
Im not sure about all of that but youd have to read the thread

I made a new one because its pretty dead now and i dont believe in necromancy of any sort, even threads.

So does anyone else think they might have been?
The reason I dont is because In oblivion it is well known that the Nerevarine travelled to Akavir, and if he is then how could the events that took place in cyrodiil have happened.
Although, it might make sense because what are the odds that there were 4 different people that were all powerful enough to do what happened in the games..

And then again, Chancellor Ocato said that there had only been 3 Champions of Cyrodiil before you... Anyone thinking what Im thinking? Although it wasnt directly named in the games maybe he actually did lose his memory/sanity and his mind created a new persona to deal with the instability...

Collaborations? And why does he always end up in jail so often... And wouldnt Falanu Hlaalu might have recognized you as the Hortator, and possibly the Grandmaster of House Hlaalu? Its all a world of possibilities i am seeking to find truth to.
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Eddie Howe
 
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Post » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:01 am

The identity of the player character is determined by the player. If you want your character to be the same through all the games, (s)he can be.
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Post » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:14 am

The identity of the player character is determined by the player. If you want your character to be the same through all the games, (s)he can be.

Although you'd have to explain why you kept loosing your abilities since every game starts you off at level 1.

Daggerfall's background generator also wouldn't work well if you were the Eternal Champion but then there are plenty of circumstances where you'd want to ignore the background generator.
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Post » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:00 pm

I tend to treat the player characters as the same being but not the same person. Insofar as they are persons, they don't even realize they are - or at least come from - the same entity. But that's a choice I've made as to how to look at the issue.
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Post » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:00 pm

As I said in the other thread and has been said here, its completely up to the player. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1095491-is-the-pc-from-arena-still-alive/page__p__16039638&#entry16039638 is the same individual throughout all the games and I've devised a backstory as such to account for it. If yours isn't the same guy its no skin off my back.
Although you'd have to explain why you kept loosing your abilities since every game starts you off at level 1.

Not too difficult a task. The alternative is to rig the game so that you start out with your previous stats - it may be 'cheating' but what the hell, its a single player game, you can do as you like.
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Post » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:30 pm

The identity of the player character is determined by the player. If you want your character to be the same through all the games, (s)he can be.


That is true.

Although I very strongly doubt Bethesda had meant for the protagonist of each game to be the same. After all, if the Champion of Cyrodiil and the Nerevarine were the same person, what happened to the Nerevarine's skills or the corprus that should still make you immune to disease? Also, didn't Daggerfall have one ending where the player character could be killed? Even with the whole Warp in the West nonsense, I think it wouldn't be that easy to reconcile that with heroes of future games being the same person. Most people can't save the world when they're dead, unless they're undead, maybe, but that's a whole different story. Besides, the games never said that the player character was the same person, and this seems like the kind of thing that, if it were the case, the games would just come forward and tell you. After all, you'd expect one to remember something like being the Nerevarine and killing Dagoth Ur, so it's not the kind of evidence that would make sense to be withheld from the player.

I'd say that each protagonist is a completely different character, unrelated in any way. Except that they always have the potential to become powerful, and accomplish great things, there doesn't need to be anything more to that, after all, the game isn't going to focus on some random peasant unless something really interesting is going to happen to that peasant.
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Post » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:45 pm

Well, even if they hadn't meant for the protagonist to be the same throughout the series, they definitely left the slate blank enough let let us come up with whatever ideas we want for our respective ciphers, including that.

And as for the Warp of the West... What if it created multiple instances of that same Blades agent? Sure, the agent got stomped on like an ant, but it was suggested that the Dragonbreak created two instances of Mannimarco (the badass lich/god version, and then that puny two-hit-kill Altmer who is the biggest anti-climix in mankind's history), so why shouldn't the same be possible for the agent to get cloned via the subsequent shattering of the very fabric of time?
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Post » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:31 pm

And as for the Warp of the West... What if it created multiple instances of that same Blades agent? Sure, the agent got stomped on like an ant, but it was suggested that the Dragonbreak created two instances of Mannimarco (the badass lich/god version, and then that puny two-hit-kill Altmer who is the biggest anti-climix in mankind's history), so why shouldn't the same be possible for the agent to get cloned via the subsequent shattering of the very fabric of time?

I always like the theory that the Emperor thought that the Original Agent it going to eventually backstab him in the back (literally) / taking way too long to finish the main quest (its 12 year from the start of the game to the event of The Warp in the West') / or the Original Agent is incompetent. So he send in another Agent, only that this agent stumble upon Megatron and been stomp'd. People got confuse and think both agents are one. The Original lives (but no credit is given) and the Second one died (and take all the Original Credit).

Well, that how I think of it. I can't let my cutie Argonian died in such a rotten way.

But ya. Beth put up stories like the PC dieing or put on a boat or becoming a MadGod just so they do not have to tell future player what the past hero look/like. It only that the player themselves is willing to create a loophole to meet their desire and imagination of their PC's outcome.
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Post » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:16 pm

The reason I dont is because In oblivion it is well known that the Nerevarine travelled to Akavir, and if he is then how could the events that took place in cyrodiil have happened.


I always took the whole Nerevarine-in-Akavir as more of a rumor than an established fact. I like to think that the Nerevarine told everyone s/he was going to Akavir and instead changed his/her identity, went to Cyrodiil, and wound up becoming the CoC.

That's how I usually play it anyway.
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Post » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:56 pm

They're all the Hero. In that, they are the same. The physical shell is irrelevant. What's important is that they fill the same role.
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