Considering my liberal use of Steam, I have no problem with this.

ZeniMax Media Inc. and Bethesda Softworks did publish a physical boxed version of Wolfenstein: The Old Blood to sell to brick and mortar retailer stores.

Wolfenstein is a standalone prequel expansion pack for Wolfenstein: The New Order. Although Wolfenstein: The New Order got a physical boxed version released for sale for PlayStation 4 (PS4) and Xbox One only and not for PC, PlayStation 3 (PS3), and Xbox 360. Wolfenstin: The Old Blood doesn't even exist for sale for PlayStation 3 (PS3) and Xbox 360 though.

Really? I didn't know they decided to change their plans up, that's probably a smart decision on their end. I'm still glad steam has such an integrated platform with video games though. Its like having an entire Xbox interface on my PC. kind of makes me miss nothing about console gaming. I don't use big picture mode as much as I should though =P

These are all of the AAA video games gog.com sells so far.

http://www.gog.com/game/lego_batman_the_videogamehttp://www.gog.com/game/lego_harry_potter_years_14 http://www.gog.com/game/lego_harry_potter_years_57 http://www.gog.com/game/fear_platinum http://www.gog.com/game/fear_2_project_origin_reborn

http://www.gog.com/game/darksidershttp://www.gog.com/game/darksiders_ii http://www.gog.com/game/saints_row_2 http://www.gog.com/game/saints_row_the_third_the_full_package http://www.gog.com/game/metro_last_light_redux

http://www.gog.com/game/the_witcher_3_wild_hunthttp://www.gog.com/game/metro_2033_redux

Someone took a screenshot last week and Konami's and Microsoft's name also appeared in the filter due to a bug.

Same here, but I think that the retail version shouldn't require Steam. Just doesn't make sense, you may as well just buy the digital version.

There is no doubt their reasons, DRM and what, not to mention being able to access a Workshop, for those who don't know about Nexus, y'know?

Yeah me too. Some of those Steam conspiracies are just way out into left field.

I highly doubt it. For one thing, GoG is now owned by CD Projekt Red. Bethesda would view any deal with them as helping the competition, akin to putting their games on Origin or uPlay.

Plus, I still can't shake the suspicion that Bethesda has a lot more in mind for their new Bethesda.net beyond serving as a platform for distributing console mods and as a new place to host these forums.

What kind of conspiracies? On Steam you cannot rollback patches, for some PC gamers Steam offline mode does not work like me Steam will just refuse to stay in offline mode or work properly in offline mode.

The best thing about gog.com is you do not need a client ever, even if some video games start having GoG Galaxy for features like achievements and multiplayer use. GoG Galaxy will remain optional forever.

Out of curiosity, there WILL be disk versions of the game, right? Shocking as it may seem, not everyone uses steam or PS4/XB1 Live (Dramatic chord).

Yes ZeniMax Media Inc., Bethesda Softworks, and Bethesda Game Studios is still going to sell physical boxed versions of the PC, PlayStation 4 (PS4), and Xbox One versions of some of their video games to brick and mortar retailer stores.

The PC, PlayStation 4 (PS4), and Xbox One versions of Fallout 4 will have a physical boxed version sold. The PC version of Fallout 4 will not be sold digitally only like the PC version of Wolfenstein: The Old Blood.

The only issues I had with the last three games were largely fixed by the unofficial patches.

Basically, most major game releases use Steam as a registration system. It's far better than needing to register with multiple companies (i.e., it's far easier and far more secure for the user, as well as more useful for the companies due to anolytic data telling them about play styles and such).

Once you register, you don't have to be online to play a BGS game. It's just like any other software (e.g., OSes, anti-virus, productivity software, etc.).

Steam works fine and always has, at least since Half-Life 2 in 2004. If you have problems with deactivating updates on specific games or staying offline, it sounds like something else is wrong with your system, not Steam. Work with them to resolve it, but it would be on your end, not theirs. Heck, I still have the 1.8 version of Skyrim from a couple of years ago. All the Steam updates have been fine without it ever changing my setting to not update Skyrim (I just haven't done it due to the game and mods I was playing back then). For offline, obviously it works fine because you'll be offline anyplace where you do not have access to the Internet.

Like I said, it's like any other software and much better than apps on mobile devices where you have almost no control whatsoever. I guess if people really don't want to use software they could avoid computers, but that's an individual choice and unlikely to work for professional environments, at least.

As for why it is useful to buy the physical version, you buy the physical version, register/activate it on Steam, and download the digital version to play. The physical copy is merely a backup for the digital version.

This pretty simple. NO major PC game (put out by a large publisher) will exist these days without some form of DRM. It's just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Do you want some glitchy, malware-like DRM software to install on your system when you install Fallout 4 or do you want a known (relatively benign) platform like Steam present on your system so you can play the game?

What? Why did CD Projekt RED release the PC version of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt on their own digital distribution retailer store gog.com the same day and at the same time on Steam all while being 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free on gog.com and having the PC version of the physical boxed version of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt sold at brick and mortar retailer stores also being 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free?

So you cannot say it's not going to happen. This year gog.com has been getting a lot of AAA video game publishing companies to join them and releasing a few AAA video games for sale.

Konami and Microsoft is joining gog.com soon as well.

OP I hope It wont use steam but sadly there's no evidence pointing in that direction.

Steam is not needed, there's a boat load of reasons for that.

Steam is just a software that thare's no reason to have, there are games that have sold MILLIONS, MILLIONS of copies all around the world without Steam, let's pick GTA V for example, Rockstar I love you so much!!

What I found irritating is the ambiguity in Bethesda/Zenimax behavior: if you go on the site of FO4 there's no mentions of Steam, nowhere, go to the shop to preorder the game and you will find PS4, XB, and PC, PC!, not Steam versions.

Then you go to Support and they list all platforms including PC-DVDROM AND Steam (yes steam i a platform like consoles), so they've got clearly the difference.

So what should I have to think? Is Bethesda doing deceptive/misleading advertisemant?

Apparently yes If they end up making steam a requirement.

Go to Amazon, there's no "Steam required" to be found or "3d party software required", there's: platform: Windows, period.

So true PC gamers may not get to play the game but Steam platform users yes.

I don't use it myself, but GoG has that in the works as well. http://lifehacker.com/why-gog-galaxy-is-worth-trying-out-even-if-you-use-ste-1703601685

Perhaps Fallout 4 could come to GOG at a later date, but I would be surprised. Especially considering BGS wants to encourage people to use Steam Workshop for mods, I really doubt they'd bring their game to another digital service.

I love GoG, don't get me wrong, but that one is DRM free, I said best DRM. And uPlay is awful. Origin is solid enough, it deeds some features though, it's just a store front, adding user reviews would lift the client a lot. I've never had any real problems with Steam, sure their customer service could be better, but it's a reliable enough program.

I always assumed, they might be planning to put their older games out. If they add Fallout 4, I hope the retail one will be non-steam, but I doubt that. I'm not sure modern publishers trust in the power of GoG.

I know greenmangaming.com is the only 3rd party digital retailer store selling keys for PC versions of video games that have Steam.

The problem is in the last 2 weeks way too much speculation has been going on the gog.com forums about Bethesda Softworks appearing on gog.com and possibly this week.

If it's true and Bethesda Softworks appears this week on gog.com to sell their video games and they do indeed end up selling Fallout 4 on gog.com as well. What I think made it possible is CD Projekt RED showed them the sales of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt selling more copies on gog.com than on Steam.

Who knows what will happen before this week ends.

I certainly am not expecting Fallout 4 to be released for sale this week on gog.com at all only the 3 classic old Fallout video games if Bethesda Softworks shows up to sell their video games on gog.com this week.

That's the problem I don't know what to believe anymore. The problem is there is way too much speculation going on on the gog.com forums right now for 2 weeks about ZeniMax Media Inc., Bethesda Softworks, and id Software appearing on gog.com to sell their video games. There were like 2 whole topics made about it.

Also for this weeks enigmatic hint the gog.com employees have been silent they have not said a single word, which usually happens when a new video game publishing company appears on gog.com to sell their video games according to a bunch of people on the gog.com forums.

GOG is DRM free, which is why I referred to GOG Galaxy. It was released just in time for The Witcher 3 and is easily on par with Steam. It's purely optional obviously, although GOG encourages its use. Steam is just a storefront honestly with all of its "sales." Forums, news feeds, and the comical and worthless reviews on Steam are just a way to delude people into thinking Steam is anything else.

Origin had the policy of returning games for your money long before Steam just recently implemented it. The other downside to Steam is they don't refund your money, but give you a credit so you have to buy something else on Steam... I believe Origin outright just refunds your money, but I could be mistaken as I haven't used their service.

Of course TW3 sold better on GOG. It was at a higher discount for those who owned TW1 and TW2 and provided more bonus features. Not to mention, CD Projekt owns GOG... I seriously doubt one game that GOG happens to be affiliated with will encourage other publishers to come to the platform as GOG is still largely a retro game site (with the exception of The Witcher). Certainly CD Projekt wants GOG to rival Steam, but it's too early to tell if that will really happen. No DRM is certainly a benefit though.

That's funny, cause when I bought Dragon Age Inquisition on Origin, I remember it saying that once I had bought it, I couldn't get it refunded.

So what is with all of the speculations that gog.com is supposed to be getting 1 more or 2 more AAA video game publishing companies before 2015 ends? Konami, Microsoft, and Namco Bandai have appeared on the gog.com search filter and Bethesda Softworks LLC appeared 2 weeks ago before it got removed, well there is a just a Bethesda Softworks now in the gog.com search filter.

I don't think AAA video game publishing companies can ignore gog.com anymore they have over 70+ million gog.com accounts, Steam has 285 million Steam accounts, which only 130 million PC gamers are active on Steam. Out of the 70+ million gog.com accounts 24 million PC gamers became active on gog.com in the last year alone.

Electronic Arts (EA) introduced their refund system not too long ago, but a bit before VALVe put a refund system on Steam.

I think the hype surrounding the Witcher 3 and their advertising on GoG, helped raise awareness. Most places in media, don't seem to mention GoG to often.

Well, I bought Dragon Age Inquisition less than a month ago.