basicaly thats what I think happened they are now beyond the deadra, aedra, and existance itself, beyond the concepts of time and space and life and death.

I think that in the end they were the biggest "winners" in the TES universe, they just gave all the Gods and deadra the "finger" and are now beyond them all, where even the pety gods of Tamril can only dream of being

Except they did not achieve CHIM. They almost did but they failed and became the skin of the numidium for all time. The Dwemer forgot to love and in the end they destroyed themselves.

They did not achieve CHIM, that's correct, but to be beyond everyone else, they'd have to reach Amaranth, which none have done. However, I do see the Dwemer's goal to be in line with what vadagar suggests, though they seemed to want to Zero Sum, intentionally. Whether or not they achieved that is up for debate. Personally, I like to believe that the final step of their goal has yet to be completed. After all, Yagrum Bagarn still lives. He was previously in service of Kagrenac before they all vanished, then contracted corprus disease and lost many of his memories. Once he was cured by Divayth Fyr and his memories returned, Divayth Fyr mentions how Yagrum was asking about Kagrenac's Tools and was upset to know the Nerevarine took off with them. I'm currently working with the theory that Yagrum Bagarn is meant to turn the "off" switch of Numidium to "on." The Totem was only able to offer brief control over Numidium, whereas only Yagrum knows how to use the Tools to turn Numidium on to a "permanent" fully functional state. Once that happens? Numidium will give the biggest middle finger to Auri-El before disappearing forever.

How do you know this?

I don't, but it stands to reason. There's Divayth Fyr's mention of Yagrum Bagarn recovering with the cure to corprus, which would mean he is immortal like the Nerevarine. Yagrum clearly had an interest in Kagrenac's Tools, and would most likely pursue the Nerevarine (whom was last said to be in Akavir.) Also, the Last Living Dwarf dying when Red Mountain exploded would be extremely anti-climactic.

At the very least he lived during the events of Morrowind, seeing as Divayth survived and is an incredibly powerful wizard who happens to care for his patients, add to that the fact that Yagrum is likely one of the most powerful Dwemer ever (considering how far Corpus has gotten with him, and the fact that he was the only that escaped by travelling to the outer-realms which is not an easy feat) it is very likely that he's still alive.

I like Velorien his theory, don't think it's true but it's a fun theory. Regardless the chances of Yagrum still being alive are rather large

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Corprus victims can live forever, as they essentially do not age, but that's not the same thing as being utterly invincible. And the Nerevarine was sent to Akavir as a method of getting them out of the way. He/she has probably been dead for some time, just like Yagrum.

I think it's very appropriate for the mountain that grew atop the Heart of Lorkhan after it landed in Nirn to be responsible for finally making the Dwemer extinct.

Where are you getting this info that Divayth Fyr lived through Landfall?

Corprus usually also destroys the victims mind, Yagrum was weakened but still in a good enough state, and he had the disease for a very very long time. That alone makes him special. What really happened to the Nerevarine is totally up to you to decide, as long as the character no longer plays a role in current affairs that is.

The Divayth Fyr info was from a dev post some time ago, can't find it anymore though so I'm afraid I can't show it to you.

Then I'm going to continue to be skeptical of anyone's claims of any character in Morrowind being alive or dead, until it's actually mentioned in a method that's not such a chance thing to come across as a random dev post.

When the last remaining person of a specific race is made immortal in that they cannot age or get disease, and is left as a giant open-end, I am very skeptical to believe they just kill him off without any fanfare or even a mention. He may not be invincible, but that's not the point.

Do you mean the Red Year? Landfall hasn't happened yet. And I'm not. I'm getting the information from a developer post after Morrowind and before Oblivion:

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/sotha-sils-last-words

Then we're going to have a hard time debating about anything. Dev posts are a great part of what makes up TES lore, at least fo me. So I generally take what they say to be true.

This is not really a spoiler but it kind of is. It is in regards to the Tools and Skyrim.

I don't know that I would like to see a return of the Dwemer. I always wanted the Falmer to make a come back. After seeing them in Skyrim, I wish they hadn't. I'm just afraid I'd be equally dissappointed with a return of the Dwemer.

I like this

maybe the MQ of the next TES will be a mystery (like MW)

on a side note perhaps the last dwemer's fortune (or miss fortune) that allowed him to avoid going poff with the rest of his people actually caused the failer or perhapes delay of the dwemer master plane ??!!!

maybe the plan requiered EVERY dwemer in existance to work and through unforseen oversight (or maybe intentional??!!) the last dwemer was in the outer realms when the event happend!

Well, when I said "CHIM," I meant the metaphysical ramifications were the same, even if the exact method and end were not. They escaped the universe with technology, and Yagrum was left behind because he was too much of a coward to go on to the next level of being.

That would be a little odd that an entire race would only have one coward who could not go on would it not?

To add to that point, nobody, except for Kagrenac, was really aware what was going on. Nobody could have seen it coming so nobody had time to prepare or accept the consequences. They just vanished. Choice was never relevant.

The real problem with the Dwemer returning is that the race itself was never the interesting part. It was the culture. This is a huge difference from a lore perspective. The "races" have very little differences between them. Sure a power or two here, an inbred racism there, but all and all they are not much different.

When it comes to culture we see the big differences. And the Dwemer culture is by far the most interesting and mysterious. Face it, the only thing interesting about the race itself is that they are all (almost) gone. The culture they had is what interests us. The fact they were by far and above beyond all the other denizens of Tamriel is what captures our attention. The fact they were most like us in a way. A culture of reason, of science, of building things even if there was an easier way. To cast aside magic so wantonly when it was beyond obvious magic was very real. To say they didn't believe is an insult to their intelligence. They knew damn well what they did, and what beings they insulted. Yet they did it anyway. And in this we see ourselves.

To bring them back would never bring back this culture. A source of pure "stick it to the man" that will never be seen again by any race on on Nirn.

I'm not sure if anyone else has used this theory but its one I've stated before.

If yagrum and fyr are still alive then YES it is technically possible for the dwemer race to come back through the cloning process Fyr used, but they would be infected with coprus if it wasn't cured and if Yagrum and Fyr did die during the red year then goodbye hope for the dwemer to come back.

I agree that if the Dwemer would return, they would be changed by their experience.

I've been intrigued by the disappearance of the Dwemer, since Morrowind. They should never be a playable race though. It would not only go against established lore, but it would also reduce the mystery to a minor footnote in Tamrielic history.

There are many mysteries in the world (Big Foot, Nessie, UFOs etc etc). People are inspired by them, write books because of them, become explorers, just to find the truth. Yet, it's the mystery that drives them. Take away the mystery, life will seem a little duller for it.

I would love to read more books about the Dwemer, like I enjoyed reading about "The Fall of the Snow Prince" and the origins of the Falmer. Maybe the Dwemer lore can take on a more active part in the next TES game. Whenever I set foot into a Skyrim Dwemer ruin, I tried to imagine how it must have been, when Dwemer still occupied the building. The steam, the engines, the sounds... it seemed as if they had just left.

Plus, why would the Heart of Lorkhan be in Skyrim? I thought the Nerevarine destroyed it in Morrowind? Did we not use Keening and Sunder to kill it?

No, we merely undid the enchantments the Dwemer put on the Heart, allowing it to escape to where ever it wanted to go. Killing the Heart of the World would have far more severe consequences.

Oh I see, it's been a few years since I completed that quest LOL Well, maybe then there could be a reason to involve the Heart and more Dwemer Lore in a future TES game. However, I'm still against any Dwemer return. It would kill the mystery for sure!

Correct. Also, if you pay attention when npc's in Skyrim talk of the Dwemer the mentioning of them "just disappearing" is frequent amidst the shrouded history and ancient technology. This, to me, hints at leaving the door open for a return of the dwemer in some form or another, and maybe not in the way we might expect. But, the question is, would Bethesda be willing to give up the mystery surrounding the Dwemer for 1 or 2 epic story-lines?

I do think the Dwemer will play an influential role in the next installment, but to what extent. I have a feeling it will be more than just ancient ruins this time. But, it's just a hunch.

there is a lot of questionable guesswork in the op, and conjecture. One problem I have with that theory of what happened is the fact that not all were taken/left. If what you say is true, all dwemer would have been taken. But they werent. yagram was away..but that wouldnt matter, distance isnt relative when youre talking about mundus.

You are right except for one thing. Yaggrum Bagarn was not in mundus at the time. He was quoted as saying he was in another dimension or plane. There is not much questionable guesswork in the OP tbh . It is backed by one of the words of the devs. Just what exactly do you specifically find questionable?

Also nearly all of TES lore is conjecture. That is how it is intended.