Excellent post. I don't know how to hide spoilers so instead I'll use parentheses.

When I had the option to kill (a particular thing) or not, I actually debated - how will (the being who gave me the quest) react? Which choice is better here?

When I made my choice, I was shocked to find that he wasn't disappointed with what I did. It was basically, "Oh, that's ok, at least you (did something").

That was very disappointing. Made me feel like sitting there thinking about it was a waste of time because no matter which I chose I'd get a slap on the back.

So yeah, one big gripe is, like you say, many things turn out the same way whether you take the "good" or "evil" approach.

Considering that Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim are NOTHING like God of War, yes, I would be incredibly shocked if that's what TES 6 amounted to.

Would you prefer if they said homogenization? I think developers get confused on the distinction between homogenization versus streamlining. It's one then when a game is cumbersome and has a lot of fat. When you cut out meat, that is a problem. Skyrim cuts a lot of meat out of previous TES games. I like Skyrim, I just think they went too far with homogenizing and dilution. The removal of Athletics and Acrobatics as skills, that is streamlining. Removing the ability to dodge on combat, that is "dumbing down".

Fair enough. I agree with so much of what was posted, but I still find myself enjoying the game. This may or may not be the last TES game that I own. It is certainly the last that I preorder. For all of that, I intend to enjoy this one.

I have pretty solid ideas as to how to mod it to get maximum enjoyment for myself. Once that is done I am quite sure that I will enjoy it more than ever, despite its flaws. I don't know if the next one will be too dumbed down to rescue. This one is not.

You can imagine how hard it is to mention every moment you experienced in a game of this size. I'm the first to admit that I left out several things that deserve obvious credit. The dragons are incredible. The sound and music are splendid as usual. The voice acting has improved tremendously (Although often, the face animation can't keep up. This gets a bit weird when the NPC is laughing madly but their lips are tight shut - but meh, maybe in TES VI.)


Fair enough - usually, I hate that term as well. It implies that somehow, dumb people would benefit from a lesser experience, and that the target audience itself is stupid. Which is why I used "watered-down" in my conclusion, which I think describes the situation better. Didn't remember to go back and change it in the text as well, but meh. It's a lot of text. :shrug:

I think someone explained it with this anology very well:
A cake has bread and icing. Skyrim took the cake and made it ALL icing. Like of sweet, tantalizing flavor, but when you dig in, you can't find the moist, delicious center.

totally agree. Bethesda doesn't care though, they're getting lots of COD players to buy skrim.

Someone once said that Morrowind was a trilogy of books while Oblivion was an action packed Hollywood movie. I feel like that accurately captured the essence of the games. I would say that if Morrowind is the LOTR books then Skyrim is the movies. Pretty darn good but still missing that full fleshed out world.

NPCs actually noticed your status
5x more spells and effects
4x more type of monsters (30 in skyrim, 120 in morrowind)
Attributes that effected skilltrees
No Perks
No smithing, enchanting
Mysticism, 1 handed blade, blunt 2 handed blade, blunt


Check the wiki... Just alot more content and alot deeper.

I'm enjoying Skyrim more then Morrowind and I'm a huge Morrowind fan.

snoreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I love it when classing yourself as a "morrowind player", this immediately gives you the right to post a new thread about what you think, and everyone should stand up and tip their hat to you.

Skyrim is Skyrim, not Morrowind. It's not meant to be Morrowind dummy. It's the best game we've seen in the series IMHO and it's breaking records as we speak. No one cares that you hate it.

The ones I bolded offer deeper content. However all the other notes you made merely make a game with more numbers with does not equal depth.

I was going to flame this thread, but then i took an arrow to the knee.

It's a series of games that have evolved over time, and many players started playing TES games earlier in the series. It's natural to compare the changes between games and IMO doesn't imply any superiority whatsoever.

Besides, all the cool kids play Dwarf Fortress. :thumbsup:

Wow, I agree competely with someone!

I must be dead... I thought this day would never come...

Well spoken too...

dont write something if you think its stupid...besides he was not expecting anything than an interesting discussion...moreover op never said he hated the game, he simply says some things are not as well fleshed out as they could have been...and he's right

200+ hours in less than a month is, to me, a very unhealthy number of hours to do almost anything. That's 50+ hours per week, or 7+ hours per day (including weekends). That's more than a lot of full-time workers spend at work each week. I think if you do any elective, entertaining activity in that sort of concentration you're bound to bring on early burnout and its associated cynicism.

I agree with some of the OP's opinions, and disagree with others, but I do appreciate the well thought review.

Nice!

LOL, disappear. If he writes something stupid he deserves to be called up about it. And he did.

Absolute best review I've read on the game and you hit the nail on the head with every subject. 100% agree.

NPCs actually noticed your status < If youve played Morrowind you know theres alot more work put into relations...
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Reputation < Does not exist in Skyrim... It was removed!
5x more spells and effects (lore)
Morrowind: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Spells
Skyrim: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Skyrim:_Spells
4x more type of monsters (30 in skyrim, 120 in morrowind) (lore)
Morrowind: http://tamrielchronicles.com/html/monsters.html
Skyrim: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Creatures

Dont even go there dude!

i agree with most of this review, though still say this is the best elder scrolls game so far, morrowind comes in second and oblivion distant 3rd

The Civil War Questline was amazingly Deep....It makes you at the beging probally think that the stormcloaks are the good guys...But if you Actually Pay attention and look at all the Backstory You will be shocked of what Ulfric reaLLY IS....

Your review is very good and spot on. I still enjoy the game, as do you after 200 hours, but I hope they take these criticisms seriously for their next installment.

If they fixed the issues you described this game would be nearly flawless.