"I reject their reality and substitute my own" - Mythbusters
I think thats fits quite well here. I do think that all the "pro" reviewers will take away points for having average graphics instead of epic graphics "Oooooo Shiny......" - Cave man
Some things never change (for idiots anyway)
It couldn't be a DC since fallout 3 will either be considered non-canon, ignored completely, or both.
I bet you most of these "educated, professional reviewers" have never played fallout 1, fallout 2, and maybe 3.

Id actually rather have a new IP with this engine before TES V drops, oppose to another Fallout so soon. Maybe a Bethesda space or Ancient Greek RPG.

I've been thinking it's about time for a new cyberpunk RPG...

I'd love to see someone do something based on Ghost In The Shell. I'd say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun, but I'm not sure I'd like Bethesda's take on Shadowrun. Couldn't be worse than Microsoft's, though, I guess.

What like Cyberpunk 2020, or Deus Ex?

I just mean something in a cyberpunk setting. The new Deus Ex game is looking nice, but it's not a full-on RPG. High tech dystopia is pretty fertile ground for an RPG, methinks.

reviews shmeviews - EVERYONE loved Fallout 3. This game could be identical in every way and people would love it too. Expect great reviews.

(Of course, if Fallout 4 looks and plays identically to FO3 and FNV, don't expect them to be so enthusiastic. The phrase "getting old" will start to creep in. Just a cautionary note.)

I heard its a full on FPS now. :sadvaultboy:

Regarding reviews though... I think people should focus more on whats rather said than a numerical or alphabetical scoring system. I try to read between the lines and separate whats fact and opinion, weighing the pros and cons in the process.

And this is why I said "hardcoe" reviewers. Like non IGN, Gamespot, X-Play, etc. Reviewers more like Angry Joe and Spoony (if Spoony's even going to get it because he's so convinced that it's just an expansion pack basically). People like them would be the ones to give it small props for staying a bit more true to the older Fallouts.

As for story, I'm assuming that most reviewers will praise it. I mean, yes, you can say the story could be complete crap, but I'm sure all the other details we've seen of it from articles and leaks tend to prove otherwise. And also Obsidian's track record of story writing proves otherwise as well.

Fallout 1 and 2 used most of the same assets and I didn't see anyone complain then. Same for the GTA3 sub-series.

Yeah, I hear good and bad. I guess we'll see. I'm a little worried about Ubisoft Montreal working on it, though. They somehow manage to make these elegant, beautiful games that I end up getting bored with after 10 hours or so for some reason.

This is hardly an expansion. Just it uses the same system? Well guess what, there not going to change a system that is good. That would be idiotic. Also the map is as big as fallout 3, there are triple (If not more) quest then fallout 3 had (Even if you had GOTY). There are double the weapons. An entire new, Huge map. New features that come back from Fallout 1-2.

Here is a list of SOME New (Some from fallout 1-2) Things that make F:NV a complete full new game.

-hardcoe mode; Deal with hunger, thirst, and sleep to survive the harsh wastelands.
-Iron Sights; V.A.T.S boring? Try the new iron sights and aim in on your target. Brings live action aiming to Fallout.
-Loads of Quest; 70 Side Quest, 90 Free, and (From what we know) 20 Main quest.
-Companion Wheel; Makes it easier to command your companions
-Companion Quest; Find out your companions background by helping them with one of their issues.
-New Companions; Ever NEW GAME needs a few new friends. There are 8 Companions. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/09/15/fallout-new-vegas-for-ps3-meet-the-companions/
-Reputation System; Karma is a state of mind, Diffrent groups can see you as good or bad, even if you butchered another band of wastelanders.
-Factions; 3 main factions, and many sub-factions. Each factions you choose will affect your game
-Extensive Replay Value; From what we know, the story can end many, many ways. You can help NCR, or Ceaser Legion, or Mr. House... All fighting for Hover Dam... Or you can be neutral (Merc, or Anarchiest).
-Epic new Story; You are a courier, your mission Deliver a package to primm. That is how it starts, yet it ends with, an epic battle that can change the fate of New Vegas.
-Gambling; It is vegas, of course there will be gambling!
-Huge New Map; This is around 2000-3000 miles away from Fallout 3 (How could this be an "Expansion")
-New Monsters; Monsters un-seen in fallout 3, and mutants smarter than those in Washington D.C
-New Armour; Yes there may be some garbs from Fallout 3, but there is many new outfits special to the west coast.
-Improved AI; The AI is smarter (As we somewhat have heard)
-Improved Reload Scripts; The reload scripts are 10x more AWSOME
-Vegetation; Seeing as New Vegas it self was not hit directly by a nuclear bomb there is Plant life. Don't think that Vegas came under brutal times, because you will find out!
-New Perks; These perks will add more Variety to characters, and will also be achieved every 2 levels
-Traits; You can choose two at the start of the game, they affect play threw out the game. They have a good and a bad part to them, Choose wisley.
-Wild Wastelander; This is a trait, a special one. You are a loopy man, the weirdest encounters happen when you are traveling about in the wastelands.
-Improved Dialouge; The game was created by obsidian. Obsidian has very good dialouge that improves the comedy, the seriousness, and the sixuality of talking.
-Weapon Mods; Tired of having to find a Silenced 10mm pistol, well then weapon mods are for you. Attach Silencers, Scopes, Extra Mags, etc. To improve your gun
-Bullet types; There are regular bullets, and then there are those that kill! Now find yourself some special ammo (Open tip, etc. Im not sure of the types).
-Crafting System; No longer just craft a few weapons. There is now a wide variety of recipes. You can make food, Diffrent Ammo Types, and Weapons, with Improved Crafting.
-And even more; I'm stumped, all these new features get jumbled in my mind.

So now as you see, This is just as close to an expansion as COD is to Halo. It just can not be called an expansion. Calling this game an expansion, only cause it is not called Fallout 4. This does not mean it is an expansion, it just means they wanted to call it Fallout New Vegas.

And look at this wich sounds better, Honest opinion...
Fallout 4
Fallout New Vegas

I will leave you with one last sentence.

The Critcts are not mindles...They know this is far more than an expansion. They know its NOT AN EXPANSION

Ubi just needs to focus on an epic Rainbow Six game.

If, and only if, they go back to the series' hallowed forbears on PC.

They need to bring back the map planning function.

I can't take reviewers seriously anymore. When they relied on magazine sales for revenue, they were pretty straightforward. Things are much more "arranged" between publishers and reviewers now.

Still, I expect F:NV to score pretty high (90%+) across the board. All in all it looks to be an excellent follow up to an excellent game, and features some nods to the early FO titles. Won't make everyone happy of course, nothing ever will because they aren't 1 or 2 or whichever is their ZOMGITISNTTHIS title.

Same... IGN gave Metal of Honor a horrible 6.0! Then i bought the game, played it, and everything they said about the game was wrong. Like for one.

"The multiplayer maps are too small" (If any of you have played and liked Battlefield Bad Company, then you will like Metal of Honor, it uses B.B.C Engine for multiplayer.
"The single player svcks, it does not have an actuall story" (The story was great, a little short yea, but it was great. They linked the diffrent missions together very well, the missions were unique. And best yet, Your character wasn't a dumy for once... Your team actually helped!)

The game feels like COD MW2 with a mix of B.B.C.

Reviwers somtimes get payed to say somthing is bad so that it makes the game that is "Some what" like that game a better population. Don't trust reviews, trust your opinion. If your not sure about the game, Rent it!

I know what you're saying, and I do agree with you, but some people are really dense headed. I'd love to see you convince Spoony that this isn't an expansion, because nobody has ever been able to get through that thick shield of ego he has.


Well, seeing as Fallout 4 will probably be made on a different engine with better graphics + the gameplay improvements of New Vegas and probably more, I'd assume Fallout 4. Unless the story just kills the game.

But we won't know that for a long while from now.

If you meant Fallout 3 there, then yeah. New Vegas looks like what Fallout 3 should've been.

Honestly, a 90% aggregate would greatly surprise me for this game. Not because I doubt the game, but because I doubt the reviewers. When you mentioned "arranged' partnerships between publishers and reviewers, you hit the nail on the head.

The new "Halo" game is utter, complete, and eternal tripe. How it scored as high as it did absolutely boggles the mind. Same with "Starcraft II;" it's just "Brood War" in 3D.

Reviewers have this awful propensity for associating high scores with high-profile titles, regardless of the titles' quality.

No i meant like title sound wise... You looked to into it, Again.... :sadvaultboy:

Sorry. I just like to tell it like it is. I mean, who wouldn't want a New Vegas type game with better graphics and game play mechanics?

Think of it this way. Maybe Obsidian will have a major roll working with Bethesda to help make Fallout 4. Or after Fallout 4 releases, Obsidian will make another spinoff that will be even better than it.

Sorry. I really like to look into the future. It's just from what I've seen, I have no doubt that video games will continue to get better and better.

And slightly off topic, but I can't wait till http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_6. :ahhh:
Look up "ray tracing" just to see the tech behind id Tech 6 and how our games will look in just a short time from now. Very promising.

When did people stop judging a things for themselves and accept reviews as their opinion?

The only reviews I have ever agreed with are my own.

you can wield a gun in each hand?

I could care less what the reviewers have to say. NV will be awesome!

well... its made with the same engine, and it doesnt SEEM like Obsidian was given much time to work on it, so no way they had time to modify the engine and enhance the games visuals. they we're given the EXACT same tools Bethesda used for FO3, and IMO its shaping up to be better in almost every way. but because of this,some people are calling it an expansion (probly an absurd claim considering they've said it's every bit as big as FO3) which just isnt fair.

i liken this situation to Super Mario Galxy 1 & 2. SMG2 uses the exact same engine and looks/feels/plays every bit the same as SMG,which is widely regarded as one of the best games of this generation (as is FO3). BUT when SMG2 came out, i didnt see hardly anyone saying "re-hash" or any other nonsense like that and the game got 9s, 9.5s & 10s across the board.

sooo,idk. if it IS just FO3 in the west, that's not necessarily a bad thing, assuming the reviewer isn't a troll or hypocrite or just plain shallow and use graphics as the basis in which a games quality is determined. i expect people to knock the graphics, but it should fare (very) well in every other regard. just my 2 cents.

Wait, wait, wait, the new Deus Ex is an Ubisoft game? Too bad, they're on my no-buy list due to the ridiculous always online, saves only on servers DRM. Oh well, saves me some money, and i didn't like Deus Ex that much anyway... :bolt: