I am not sure where I lean on Rieklings, but I do know where I stand with Snow Elves. I belive they are in hiding, and this isn't like my ignorent rant about Dwemers, there realy is a gaping whole in the loar and a posibilty to bring back the Snow Elves. Could they be making an apperance later on? Could the riekling actualy be the snow elves and have just been puting up a charade of unitelagence, so that the nords would not know they were the snow elves?

I have long believed there is some kind of link between Goblins and Elves (or Ehlnofey in general). You have Altmer using goblins as troops. You have drunken rambling Soltheim Nords who refer to the Rieklings as "Falmer." When you consider the incredibly morphic aspect of the known Elvish history (Ehnofey->Men, Aldmer->Orsimer, Aldmer->Chimer->Dunmer, Aldmer->Khajit?->Bosmer?, etc.), it really isn't that far fetched. It's just undocumented.

I strongly believe the only true "aliens" among the sapient creatures of Tamriel are the Hist, and possibly the Dreaugh.

I made this thread just to see how far fetched my idea of the rieklings being the next orcs were. What if in the next game if it does take place in skyrim, there is a story line of how the rieklings are added and then in TES VI they are playable? Does that sound that stupid?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Riekling#Riekling are more goblinesque than elven. Falmer, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Falmer, are extinct.

Honestly, what would those ice-bound Nords know about elves, eh? "Seen any elves? Ha-ha-ha-ha!" :rolleyes:

Maybe the Tsaesci, too. I'm probably gonna read AP's article some time soon considering the Snakemen and the Hist.

Perhaps the Falmer are on Atmora. If Maormer are on Pyandonea, it's not too far fetched to me. But Atmora's climate is insane, and while the whole Herma Mora trying to make Nords Mer seems somewhat interesting to me concerning this subject, there may not be anything there.

I think the Rieklings might be the Falmer, but I voted that there more goblin like, but that doesn't disprove the fact that they might be mer. I think the Orcs look alot more like goblins than mer, but there mer.

As for them coming back, I can see that happening. After the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/bm_snow_prince.shtml some Falmer fled the battlefield and went into hiding, so I believing that there hiding and never went extinct but we don't no much on the Falmer.

Reiklings are in my opinion short midgets with a bad taste in facial hair stylings and have more in common with a goblin then an elf. The contents of the cave where you find "fall of the snow prince" would seem to indicate they were normal sized elves.

I think your wrong. I think there is more to Rieklings that meat the eye. Weren't there more to Orcs than met the eye?

Orcs being metaphysically changed because their god was made into poop and reikling supposidely being falmer aren't comparable issues. The former is simply adding lore to the orcs, the latter is proposing that all evidence in that cave in sostheim is mute.

The only thing that ever spoke for Riekling being Falmer descendants is hearsay from the Solstheim Nords. Stories that have been passed down from generation to generation, probably getting more and more mispresented every time. Falmer were their old enemies. The Rieklings are their new. What would fit better than passing all the vices of the first on to the second, by calling them the same? It's been done many times before.

why not? Until Morrowind, Orcs were simply monsters, just like rieklings.

The orcs just had their lore expanded, falmer to reiklings is supposing that the falmer shrunk significantly after the events depicted in 'fall of the snow prince'. We have no reason to believe the falmer went under this transformation, and we have no evidence that the reiklings believe this event to be the case.

and no evidence stating otherwise ether. thus the big whole in the loar that I was talking about. Bethesda could patch up that whole and go ether way. Heck, Bethesda could even bring back the Falmer if they wanted to, the whole is that big. And don't give me this Falmer probably didn't exist at all crap, cuz the Nords definatly faught them at some point.

falmer didn't exist at all? did I say that? NO! Also, its quite clear we that we have evidence indicating their bodily condition during the time that fall of the snow prince was written. The fact that there is no evidence indicating a mundane or divine transformation into the reiklings does not also mean your hypothesis is any more truthful. Potentials future retcons and additions should not be factored in, as they are purely speculation. also, its spelled lore. You must realise that the only information suggesting your position is a demonization of their ancient enemies by the nords.

The Falmer and the Snow Elves are one and the same... but not for that reason. It is because they are both bugbears to the Nords.

Do you misspell words on purpose?

Either way, unless the Falmer lost their majickal capabilities and shrunk significantly, as well as completely altered their culture several thousand years backwards, the Rieklings are not the Snow Elves

ya ya, I svck at spelling. make fun of me all you want, I've delt with it my whole life, it doesn't bother me any more.

Firefox has a nifty automatic spell check

Alright then, if you are all so sure that the riekling are not the Falmer of lore (is this how you spell it ) then lets talk about snow elves for a while. What are the possibilitys they are still about? could we be seeing them in the next game if it takes place in Skyrim. And I do not want flat yes's and no's I wan't reasoning behind your statements and I am very well aware that many of you may say that after the battle with the nords there were not enough left.

The only account of the Falmer is in the Fall of the Snow Prince, written by a Nord. If I recall correctly, there was only one Falmer in the battle. Maybe it was a mer of the more usual kind, except that it was an albino - thus the pale skin. :shrug:

Falmer are probably not going to make an apperance in TES:V

Two reasons:
A. The chances of Bethesda releasing a new race are slim.
B. There is a lot of other places that TES:V could take place besides wherever the Falmer/Snow Elves live (Black Marsh, Elsweyr, Valenwood etc.)

They may very well still exist and make an apperance since we have no reason to believe they're all dead but at the same time, we may not because of the reasons Makii listed.

i know this is all speculation, but a lot of people say it will be in skyrim. also, like I have said in other threads (witch is obiusly a bad idea cus not many people agreeed, so feel free to disregard what I am about to say) sence the next TES will be about the fall of the empire, then maybe Bethesda should replace Impirials with something cooler in TES VI and let them blend back in with the Nords and Bretons or at the very least regress into colovian barbarians. I know that they are a well rounded race, but why do we need 3 well ronded races when we can have 2 realy cool ones aka Dunmer and Argonias. It would just be stupid if there was a race named impirials runing around without an impire, unless you called them Colovians or Nibaneze, but still. So maybe we can introduce Snow Elves in TES V and then let them be the replacement. I think that there is a race to fit evryon's playing styl in the game, except that there is not a smart warrior, so to speek. Somone that can wield weaponds and heavy armor, but at the same time be skilled in alchamy and alteration. I think snow elves are a good candidate, sence they were know not be smart. And in regards to apperance, I am guesing it would be like the elves in Hellboy 2?

just speculating

If TES V is in Skyrim, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a quest regarding the Falmer. Hopefully it'll stir up less arguing than Lifting the Vale did.

Either way, the falmer supposedly mingled with the other elven races and eventually failed to exist as an identifiable race. I can't imagine that there would be a lot of them to start with.

They probably never were a race, just the Skyrim version of the Direnni Altmer. They vanished because they lived directly in the path of Ysgramor's steamroller demographic of seal-clubbers.