Update for those wating for news

All the propsed updates have been done apart from the mages guild. However the mages guild has been worked on! The layour of the small guild is finished. I am just working on the interiors. After that its the NPC's and then perhaps a quest or two

Could I perhaps partake in the addition of NPC's? I have some Ideas Not right now though, it's late.

Sure! Theres not going to be many NPC's though as its not particularly a large guild

I was thinking:

Argonian spellmaker/spell seller
Argonian Encanter
High Elf potion master
Breton scroll selll
Khjiit Travel service

There is room for one or two more

Looks good, I have some concepts for them, unless you've already started on them. Where would the khajiit take the player though?

I have some conepts already. The khajiit is a guild transport - so to other mages guilds - i am think Balmora and Caldera

I see Hoping to get back on this soon!

sounds good. just waiting for the next big release to start testing out and proposing new changes.

Hate to sound impatient, but I've got some Ideas I'd really like to implement with Riller-Mosh. I could do them now with the current Beta, but that would just create conflicts. There's also the fact that the mod could use some cleaning, unless that's already being taken care of.

I ahve cleaned some stuff from the ESP. I am working on the mod atm.

If you want to post a list of stuff that needs cleaning can you posta list and i will get on to it?

Also lets hear your ideas - when you cant work on your ideas its best to share them

Oh i also have a "main quest" (used very losely) which involves the embassy and ambassadors, the hist, a necromancer and an aronian war chief that wants rid of the outsiders.

EDIT: decided not to spoil it for you

there should be a couple argonian newbie mages that are new to the guild, would make some sense. though i think the service providers shouldn't be argonian, at least initially.

no worries only the alchemist is an argonian

heres whats in the new version which will be uploaded in a few moments- Its incomplete ( i.e everything i wanted to hasnt been finished yet - such as mages guild and cleaning refs but all in good time)

version 2.5 is now uploaded

Thanks Midge! I'll try to see if I can clean the mod; I'll convert it to an ESP and clean it with TESAME from there.
EDIT: I'm not sure if this is a problem, but when I converted it to an ESM, I got this message:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "F:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\mopy\masher.py", line 5238, in Execute
self.window.Refresh(detail=newName)
File "F:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\mopy\masher.py", line 1309, in Refresh
self.PopulateItems(selected=selected)
File "F:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\mopy\masher.py", line 784, in PopulateItems
self.PopulateItem(itemDex,mode,selected)
File "F:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\mopy\masher.py", line 1354, in PopulateItem
elif not fileInfo.isWellOrdered():
File "F:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\mopy\mosh.py", line 2863, in isWellOrdered
return not modInfos.doubleTime[self.mtime]
KeyError: 1270416610.0000079

A similar message occurs if I try to convert another ESP to an ESM. This is with Mash's 'Copy to Function. Anyhow, I shall test the new ESM now.

the vissed still have bounding box issues

is there any objection to reducing a lot of the green lights around the exteriors? or at least tone it down some?

stalks-the-muck still has greeting issues

overall it's looking a lot better!

i have a couple suggestions, you should get the update to quorns argonian armor, and implement the barkwoven armor and leafweave weapons, which will help fill the void of the nordic stuff. maybe use a dreugh completion set too, like TR's.

I can reduce lights if you want to.

What exactly is wrong with Stalks-the-muck? I have no problem with him yet everyone keeps menetioning this. I cant fix it if i dont know in detail what is wrong

Those darn Vissed.......

Will check out quorns set

for stalks the muck, it says topic vissed not found on line 1.

other things noticed:

conjurer ring and dagger both fortify acrobatics, which seems off unless conjurers have some crazy leaping skills unknown to others

magebane is way underpriced, but that sort of balance will probably happen towards the end.

the twin lamp khajiits still have nordic snow bear armor, should at least be regular bear, or just removed. twin lamp members should be using stealth over force, so some sort of stealthy suit would be better. maybe rename some of the black clothing into "khajiiti suit" (like cat suit)? daggerfall did have that clothing for stealth characters.

Ahh now i see. Yes that can be fixed.

Conjurer stuff is suposed to be fortify conjuration lol

I agree with the twin lamps just dont know what will suit them.....

Working on an update as we speak

What do you think to the start of the mages guild?

Well, I tested my cleaned ESM and everything appears to be going fine so far. But I've noticed a few things in my short period of testing:

1)I noticed that the quest related corpses I got rid of are *still* there. I thought I had replaced them with my new corpses, but it seems that isn't the case. (See Number two)

2)While cleaning the mod, I noticed that the two corpses I added were in the list of data in TESAME. But, when I went in-game and tested them out, they were nowhere to be found. So I checked in the CS, thinking I accidentally might have deleted them. Turns out they aren't even being used. Any idea on how this occured?

3)There seems to be two sets of dialogue for the Watchers: One I revised a while back, while the other still contained errors. I believe the idle watchers are the ones that speak the un-revised dialogue.

One more thing: Should I post up the cleaned ESM here? I've cleaned it of most dirty cell references , apart from the blank ones, since I'm afraid to edit them out of spoiling something..

the mages guild looks good, i do like the organic look. perhaps add a little imperial architecture so it doesn't look too telvannish though.

Version 2.6:

Neat. Have you adressed my issues though? Nevermind, I'll get to them tomorrow.

Ahh didnt see your post lol.

nope havnt address those issuies, you may have to do them again as the mods been updated. I am working on cleaning the mod theres alot of dirty items that EE is picking up on. But i will wait till you send me a new ESP.

No no, please don't wait. I haven't even gotten to downloading the newest update, and I have to go sleep soon.

i was thinking, for the twin lamps members, the leader can wear dark brotherhood armor, and the others can wear pieces of orc and adamantium. the leader could mention that house dres sent the dark brotherhood after him, and he now wears that assassin's armor as a trophy. at least this would look better than nord armor.

maybe the smith in the walk the plank armory could have the topics from quorn's argonian armor mod, to explain the materials to outsiders. it fits perfectly with the lore, and makes some sense as the other materials are described in other topics. add one for first guard too, which explains its importance/

i think some chameleon items would fit naturally, maybe call them 'hunting' items. or 'stalking'. maybe a swift swim belt too.

i think DARoot was right to maybe go with using a script to scale the vissed instead of altering the model.

we should look into making a cave that's an interior swamp for ingredient and hunting. more areas for vissed and new plants and such.