sorry if im a bit late i just got off work

but ya back on topic everything should have a value of at least .5 septims

I'm going to go ahead and call you out on trolling.

Obviously you didn't read his entire post, or you just ignored most of it and found one line you could pick at.

So tell us then, why does a plain gold ring cost 40 gold coins? Or a gold amulet costing 150?


The guy has a point, the monetary values of things in Oblivion were quite askew, bringing the whole economy out of balance.

I'd personally like to see some improvement there for Skyrim.

I think the thieving system in Oblivion was mostly fine. I would have liked to of had more "big ticket" items that you could steal from castles, mansions or government buildings, but I don't know that spoons and plates should really have much value. Sure, it makes it a bit tougher to make money from pure thievery, but that's how it should be.



How many people can you think of that got rich out of being a petty thief? I don't see many people who steal cups and eating utensils being able to afford mansions or beach houses. Realistically, if your looking to strike it rich then petty theft isn't the way to go anyway.

That son of a *****!!

More accurate itemizations is the key. There is no reason why a countess would have several piles of yarn on her bedside table, or why someone who bothers to buy something as architecturally elaborate as Rosethorn Hall would have the same IKEA cupboard as someone on the Waterfront.



He can't, but I bet you can't explain to me what are the prices of apples and iron daggers in Nirn, because it would make more sense to eat or stab someone with a silver goblet.

On the price of precious metals we know that 0.25 weight silver = 15 septims and 0.25 weight gold = 25 septims.

On topic. I agree items shouldn't be worthless. The sell system needs to revert to the previous method of stacking items, then decimals can come into play. It's realistic to assume that if I tried to sell a single fork the trader would tell me to get lost, but if I stacked 100 forks he would buy in bulk for 50 septims.

A skull?

I think that not everything needs value, but I don't like how guards and shopkeepers somehow have psychic ability to know that you stole something.

I can see if you stole, let's say, a sword from someone's house, then tried to sell it in the same town, the shop keeper would say something along the lines of "a sword like this was just reported stolen," but you could sell it to another town to sell it Or if the item was unique.

It didn't make any sense to me that I could steal something in Bruma, then go to Bravil and talk to a guard who would then proceed to arrest me for something I did halfway across the map. I guess they just got on the phone and let them know exactly who did it and where he was headed.

It was hard to make a living as a thief in Oblivion. Even the castles didn't have much worthwhile gear. Sort it out for Skyrim, Bethesda.

Okay, let me rephrase that--everything that is USEFUL should have value. :teehee:

A skull could be useful to sell to necromancers or that guy who likes bones in shivering. Maybe the average merchant would find a skull useless but their should be at least one person who would buy it.

I expect you to. That's what traps and spells are for.
I also have a rather nice case of sticky fingers, it's a challenge to "liberate" items. I'd make a game of it.

D'oh, this thread again!

1) People complained in Morrowind that houses yield more money than dungeons

2) They made it more worth your while to explore the world and not just stick to stealing from towns *PER CUSTOMER REQUESTS

3) People are now complaining for the opposite reason

If everything has value it diminishes the game... money is supposed to have some kind of challenge to it, if you can just lazily steal everything, sell everything with no consequence... why play the rest of the game when you can buy the best things money can get? It defeats it's own purpose.

They got it perfect with Oblivion.. you could still play a thief, it just wasn't AS rewarding.

And it doesn't have to make sense that guards can read your mind / merchants can know something is stolen. It's a game, not a real life simulator. Some unnatural boundaries have to exist for exotic features to be involved. That's why most games leave these features out... they OPT for realism but you just get the option taken away for you for the illusion of realism.

Bleh. Fanbase, you're a deadly thing. You often turn your own sword upon yourself!

for some odd reason I Love this line O_O

You know we'll all be sharing the same prison cell at the beginning of the game...