Before I get started, let me start by thanking Obsidian and Bethesda for this amazing game; it far surpassed my expectations and I had a great deal of fun playing it. Having completed my first playthrough as the goody two shoes NCR man im now looking for a change on my next playthrough... :goodjob:

Now I was thinking about aligning myself with Caesar's Legion. Being an assassin who is out purely for caps and power. Now has anybody played this type of character? is it fun? should I ease of killing random people, but still play a Caesar? Would killing all of Goodsprings at the start be right as a Caesar? etc...

im so confused I dont know how to play as a Caesar, any guidance and wisdom from other people playing the bastard would be appreciated.

Thankyou.

Caesars don't just go around killing random people, and I'm pretty sure they're not the type of people in it for caps, either.

They kill who they see as bad. People like gamblers, killers, criminals, etc. Also, they don't like the NCR because they're stopping the Legion's expansion west. Mostly they're just out to conquer stuff and gain power, from what I can see.

Sounds like you'd fit in with the Powder Gangers.

Caps and power... perhaps you should take New Vegas for yourself?

Perhaps I need to take a step outside of the box and look at them from a different angle. Having researched them further ive learnt that their motives arnt too cruel after all; id even go as far as saying that they are just as ''good'' as NCR; anyone agree?

Nah, I wouldn't go that far. they enslave all woman and people too weak to join the army. While Caesars main goal may be creating a new Pax Romano, his way of doing things are barbaric. The NCR may be bloated, stretched to thin and powerless in some ways, but they created a civilization through democracy and liberty, not through dictatorship and fear mongering.

But The Mojave Wasteland is in no state for democracy and liberty; weapons talk at the moment, for roleplayings sake, I think the wasteland would be better of 50 years in the future if Caesar's Legion were to come into full power. More to the point; if i followed Caesars Legion to the end would the ending be ''bad''?

I disagree. I'm yet to see any NCR guys stringing up people, crucifying people, burning people alive... or holding lotteries to decide who gets what from that lovely list of prizes, just to test the locals. One out of luck Wastelander sells information about a settlement to the Legion, and the Legion judges that settlement on that one Wastelanders actions and executes them all. The test before the lottery is to see who will stand up, together, against it. If they don't they fail. If a small army of guys with guns walk into a settlement and say there's gonna be a lottery of death, nobody would object because they'd be utterly terrified.

Anyone who thinks the Legions evil is grey - is insane. Their goal might be, but their methods are completely, utterly... just drank a Nuka Quartz and everything's gone black and white type evil. IMO

I've heard CL has very few quests and they don't even use caps; they have their own form of currency.

Yet the NCR have already made a huge civilization through democracy. So how is there "no place" for it, if it already exists? While I don't necessarily like the NCR, they are obviously the lesser of two evils.

Sometimes, Just sometimes; Its the destination that counts not the journey.

I'm operating under the assumption that the NCR is a fledgling-phase Enclave. They need to be kept in check, lest they grow too powerful for their own good.

Yeah I agree and thats the way I see it; they may be the ''good'' guys but they are the same as the enclave who were the ''bad'' guys in fallout 3; doesn't add up correctly, who exactly are the true savours of the wasteland???

On a side note. I could roleplay as an assassins creed character if I aligned myself with Caesar's Legion; its all set up perfectly.

I've got to tell you, I'd say the Legion is pretty morally gray. Methods and all. Yeah, they crucify people, so what? They do it to morally evil people. In fact, I've only seen them crucify powder gangers and their own men for disobedience before. Don't get me wrong, if there was a group in todays world going around like the Legion does, I'd consider them nothing but evil. But in a wasteland, it's not the same. They could be saving lives by crucifying men who would later go on to assist in butchering entire settlements. Also, the crucifition sends a message to others. Cross the Legion and that happens, sure, but as one of them will explain to you, the real lesson is that evil people will be punished. The slaves they take would be relatively safe. I haven't once seen a Legionaire physically harm any of their slaves. They make them work, yes, but seems like they keep them fed, watered, and sheltered, which is really just about all you could ask for in a wasteland.

Besides all that, Caesar really seems like winning guy.

Thankyou, thats all the convincing I needed to start my character right away. Now what weapons to use???

Well I'm doing a Mr. House energy weapons run right now, but next I plan on playing a Caesars Legion run. I'm gonna use Melee Wepons and maybe get my guns skill to like 50 or 60 tops. Primarily though I'll probably use Caesars Legion signature weapon, the machette.

The NCR are nothing like the Enclave. The legions methods are far from morally grey. All woman and all that are too weak, or refuse to join Caesar are tortured and killed, that's not morally grey. But if your trying to justify the legion, just so you can play as one, which I assume is what your getting at, why does it matter if their good or not? You have something against being bad?

Wow same here; thats exactly what im planning on doing! Even the 50-60 gun skill part. Cant wait to use that machete.

I don't think I ever heard of the Legion toruring ANY women or children. Killing them, sure. Enslaving them too. Maybe even enlists some of male children. But as far as just torturing them just becuase they enjoy seeing people in pain? Nope. Besides that, when I do my Legion playthrough I plan on being overly agressive and sadistic. I'm gonna enjoy it too. The Legion as a whole will probably think that butchering and eating the women infront of their children was uncalled for, but so what? Whose gonna try to attack the dude who just killed an entire town with nothing more than a sharp peice of metal and know is eating their flesh?

I'm not about to get into an arguement about real world ethics. I'll say that as far as me personally, most don't agree with my moral values. I'm fine with that, it doesn't bother me, but I'm not the type to go one about what I feel is right.

killing and enslaving woman and children is morally grey to you? Also I'm not saying that being good or bad is either good or bad. I'm a sadistic [censored] as well in real life. But I'm not sociopathic to the point that I don't know the difference between good, bad, or morally ambiguous when I see it, regardless of who I choose to side with.

hit the nail on the head right there my friend.

I see we have a blinded NCR puppet here.

thats what Lenin said, and the supermutant at Jacobstown says that the legion follows Caesar, not his ideals, so after he dies the Legion will collapse or become even worse

I massacre the NCR every chance I get with my current character.