[RELz] ROM Revised Oblivion Mod : IV - Oblivion

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:53 am

Finding that staff is probably an issue with Item Interchange, now that I think about it.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  MD_Saddle_Master.esm02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]03  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.5.5b4]04  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.8b5]++  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp05  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.1]06  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp07  DLCShiveringIsles.esp08  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Symphony of Violence.esp09  ChaseCameraMod.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]0A  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]0B  Streamline 3.1.esp0C  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.7.1]0D  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]0E  MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp0F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp  [Version 1.33]10  OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp  [Version 1.33]11  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.8b5]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]12  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Reduced.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]13  Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]14  Knights.esp15  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]16  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]17  DS Less Predictable Respawn.esp  [Version 1.1]18  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]19  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.5.5b4]**  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 4.2.2]1A  ROM Revised Oblivion Mod.esp++  ROM Patch - MMM.esp1B  ROM Patch - Knights.esp  [Version 2.30]++  ROM Easy Mode.esp1C  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

With the bashed patch your ROM mods are out of order (especially if you imported the tags from OOO and MMM as these would overwrite ROM since the bashed patch loads after ROM. Take a look at myk's post on page one of this thread for bashing instructions. That could be the problem. You will have to hand order ROM mods unless you use BOMM after you make the changes.

Or an easy way, put the ROM files AFTER the bashed patch and see if that fixes the problem.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:21 pm

Man, I'm sure I must have seen that post and decided to come back to it, then forgot about it. Sorry for wasting your time.

At least I keep bumping the thread.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:45 am

I followed the instructions above, but there were only deleted/duplicate records in the MMM plugin. I don't know if that's because I have different versions of OOO/MMM or because the ROM 2.30 plugins were already cleaned, or what. So the only changes to the main ROM plugin and the Knights plugin were to add masters, but that was enough to make the game throw tantrums when I tried to load the modified ROM plugin as myk mentioned. I removed OOO.esp from the masters list and it loads fine now.

What happens if I buy training for a minor skill while it's under the cap? If the cap is 25 and I buy 5 training sessions, will I then be able to raise the skill through normal use to 30, or just 25?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:02 pm

yeah, 2.30 includes the pre-cleaned plugins. I'll update the instructions. I'm also working on getting it into a BAIN package format for easier management with Wrye Bash.

hey Underground09, quick question: what happens if ROMAdditionalRaces.ini exists in Data/ini but the player is playing a vanilla race? will the settings in this file override the defaults?

Also, what happens if the ini file exists, but all the lines are commented out?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:11 am

What happens if I buy training for a minor skill while it's under the cap? If the cap is 25 and I buy 5 training sessions, will I then be able to raise the skill through normal use to 30, or just 25?

I looked at the script. The answer is 25, so there's an incentive to only train major skills, which is unfortunate.

yeah, 2.30 includes the pre-cleaned plugins.

I did remove a bunch of records (48?) from the MMM compatibility plugin. Did you clean that one?

hey Underground09, quick question: what happens if ROMAdditionalRaces.ini exists in Data/ini but the player is playing a vanilla race? will the settings in this file override the defaults?

Also, what happens if the ini file exists, but all the lines are commented out?

The INI file is only loaded if you're playing a non-default race. If you are, and the file is missing you'll get an error. If the file is present but the lines are left commented out, constitution and spirit will be zero and bad things will happen.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:12 am

Man, I'm sure I must have seen that post and decided to come back to it, then forgot about it. Sorry for wasting your time.

At least I keep bumping the thread.

Never a waste of time. I am surprised by the low number of posters though. Either there are no problems or few are playing this mod. Shame. I have not seen Underground either, I think he wants to fix that magic extender issue. Hopefullly after that he will be available for more support.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:42 am

I did remove a bunch of records (48?) from the MMM compatibility plugin. Did you clean that one?

I haven't finished anolyzing the new version of that one yet, so I didn't put in a recommendation.

The INI file is only loaded if you're playing a non-default race. If you are, and the file is missing you'll get an error. If the file is present but the lines are left commented out, constitution and spirit will be zero and bad things will happen.

This is good news. It simplifies the deployment. I'll just make sure the ini is always there, then.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:01 pm

I've had some strange issues. The Fingers of the Mountain quest was broken, as I posted about http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1129390-chorral-recommendation-stalled/. While I was trying to figure that out I noticed I had a Torch02Light in my inventory, named <> or something. I found a StaffLightOrcishOOO in a chest, with a name of ---. The one goblin shaman I've seen so far seemed to repeatedly summon and attack a zombie until it noticed me, at which point it summoned a new zombie and behaved normally toward it.

It would be nice if you incorporated some sort of delayed start for KotN with your changes, similar to SM Plugin refurbish.

I followed the instructions above, but there were only deleted/duplicate records in the MMM plugin. I don't know if that's because I have different versions of OOO/MMM or because the ROM 2.30 plugins were already cleaned, or what. So the only changes to the main ROM plugin and the Knights plugin were to add masters, but that was enough to make the game throw tantrums when I tried to load the modified ROM plugin as myk mentioned. I removed OOO.esp from the masters list and it loads fine now.

What happens if I buy training for a minor skill while it's under the cap? If the cap is 25 and I buy 5 training sessions, will I then be able to raise the skill through normal use to 30, or just 25?

I was just going to say that. I did not master OOO.esp to ROM because, in my game also, I had weird problems emerge. From what Myk says, it seems advisable is using it in a bashed patch, but the fact that it did not work right for you is something I cannot really speak with much authority on. But I am glad that the default version is working for you.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:08 am

yeah, 2.30 includes the pre-cleaned plugins. I'll update the instructions. I'm also working on getting it into a BAIN package format for easier management with Wrye Bash.

hey Underground09, quick question: what happens if ROMAdditionalRaces.ini exists in Data/ini but the player is playing a vanilla race? will the settings in this file override the defaults?

Also, what happens if the ini file exists, but all the lines are commented out?

If you are not using a custom race, nothing will happen--even if you have the ini file loaded. You don't even need to comment out any lines for that file. As for the other files, commented-out lines do nothing, and so the file is harmless (if unnecessary) if left in your Ini folder. My batch scripts are very, very safe on your game.

Never a waste of time. I am surprised by the low number of posters though. Either there are no problems or few are playing this mod. Shame. I have not seen Underground either, I think he wants to fix that magic extender issue. Hopefullly after that he will be available for more support.

Actually, I have some news: it seems I might be traveling abroad for my work soon, and I will be unable to access my work. I don't even expect to have regular access to a computer at this point, but that might change. In the worst case scenario, at least mods are always open source to the community, so I would not forbid anyone expanding or doing with ROM what they please. I will keep you posted!

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:00 am

In the worst case scenario, at least mods are always open source to the community, so I would not forbid anyone expanding or doing with ROM what they please.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2666/3660863f520.jpg

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:18 am

If I could mod my way out of a paper bag, I would love to try something like that. But Real Life postpones that until retirement

However, maybe someone will?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:19 am

Just reporting that Skip Tutorial by Speedo seems to work fine with ROM, which is great because it beats the hell out of that ship mod IMO. It's just not available anywhere any more.

Edit: the two guards in the Elven Gardens District, in front of the gate to the market district, seem to want to stand on the same side of the gate. They continually walk into each other to get onto that spot. Also, there's a Rumors topic on Mages Guild NPCs that talks about being able to enchant your own items in the Arcane University. Maybe that should be disabled.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:43 am

Just reporting that Skip Tutorial by Speedo seems to work fine with ROM, which is great because it beats the hell out of that ship mod IMO. It's just not available anywhere any more.

Edit: the two guards in the Elven Gardens District, in front of the gate to the market district, seem to want to stand on the same side of the gate. They continually walk into each other to get onto that spot. Also, there's a Rumors topic on Mages Guild NPCs that talks about being able to enchant your own items in the Arcane University. Maybe that should be disabled.

I have not had the two guard issue in my config, but have not tried v2.30 yet to see if that would introduce it. As for the rumor, you could always treat is as just that, a rumor

EDIT: I just tried with OOO 1.34beta5 and ROM 2.30 and did only see one guard at that gate. What time of day did this occur? Perhaps there is a chedule.

EDIT: I had two guards starting after 11:00pm until 2:00am or so but they were on either side of the door. At one point one guard went over to the other to talk then went back. There is one quard patrolling between the doors on either side of the Elven district.

May have been a fluke on your end. Can you reproduce the behavior?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:08 am

I couldn't reproduce it, so maybe it was something to do with leveled lists for those guards? I dunno. When I checked, I noticed a couple IC guards strutting around barechested, carrying their cuirasses but not wearing them. Scandalous.

I've noticed that clothing versions of braided armor are available cheaply on several vendors, and they have the original script on them so they'll start the OOO quest and you can't wear them until it's been finished. Braided clothing doesn't make any sense unless you make it enchanted caster gear, and it shouldn't be on vendors in any case.

I found a redguard Anvil guard (formid 0200facb) with redguard face and greetings but voiced dialogue for female imperials. There's a chest in the Anvil chapel undercroft or living quarters (00034f51) that isn't locked but is tagged with an OOO script for hard or very hard chests. There's also a door in one of those chapel areas that isn't locked but is associated with the Anvil chapel key, so you get the message about unlocking it with that key.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:33 am

I have noticed bare chested guards also in the IC but had TEI installed so I attributed it to that. However, in your LO that should not happen.

What if you do not use Wrye Bash and just load the mods in the order you have? It could be that is a problem and I do not think that Underground used Wrye Bash when he worked on the mod. So I think of a pure install is the mods only and no bashed patch.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:56 am

So... if someone wouldn't mind reviewing my LO.

Things were running great - I then did this:

-upgrade Better Cities to latest
-upgrade Unique Landscapes to latest compilation
-follow myk002's directions for building ROM into the bashed patch.

Now... Oblivion will load, but attempting to load my most recent savegame results in a CTD during the first loading screen.

Thoughts?

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]08  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.0]09  CM Partners.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3]0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0D  Better Cities .esp0E  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp0F  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.0]10  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]11  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]12  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp13  MIS Low Wind.esp14  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp15  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp16  Storms & Sound.esp17  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]18  WindowLightingSystem.esp19  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1A  Reznod_Mannequin.esp1B  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]1C  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.6]1D  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]1E  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]1F  DLCHorseArmor.esp20  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]21  DLCOrrery.esp22  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]23  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp24  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp25  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp26  kuerteeHorseCommands.esp27  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]28  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]29  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp  [Version 1.33]2B  OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp  [Version 1.33]2C  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]2D  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]31  T.I.E4MODS.esp  [Version 0.32]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]32  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp33  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.7]34  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp35  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp36  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]37  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp38  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]39  thievery.esp3A  Knights.esp3B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]3C  ROM Revised Oblivion Mod.esp++  ROM Patch - Bobs Armory.esp3D  ROM Patch - Knights.esp  [Version 2.30]++  ROM Patch - MMM.esp3E  RTT.esp3F  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]40  The Lost Spires.esp++  The Lost Spires v14 Delayer.esp  [Version 2]41  Blood&Mud.esp42  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.COBL]43  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.8]44  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2]++  HeartOftheDeadv6.3 Delayer.esp  [Version 2]45  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]46  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp47  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]48  xulTheHeath.esp49  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp4A  XulEntiusGorge.esp4B  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4C  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]4D  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]4E  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4F  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]50  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp51  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]52  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]53  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]54  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]55  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]56  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp57  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]58  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]59  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp5A  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]5B  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp5C  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp5D  xulPantherRiver.esp5E  Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp5F  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]60  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]61  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]62  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]63  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]64  Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp65  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]66  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]67  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]68  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp69  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]6A  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.1]6B  Castle Wolfspike2.esp6C  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]6D  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp6E  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp6F  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]70  Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp71  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]72  ATakesAll.esp73  StealthOverhaul.esp74  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]++  CoblDeathFix.esp  [Version 1.20]++  DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]75  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp  [Version 4.8.0]76  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 4.8.0]77  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.7.0]78  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.7.0]79  Better Cities - Thievery.esp  [Version 4.8.0]7A  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.0]7B  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7C  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]7D  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.0]7E  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7F  ROM Patch - Better Cities.esp**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Bashed Delayers - MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 2.02]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]80  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Thanks!

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:17 am

Hi all,

ROM is now integrated with BOSS and Wrye Bash, so no manual load ordering or tagging is required anymore.

The main ROM esp should still technically be remastered before bashing, but if this is too much trouble, don't worry about it too much. A few things will be lost, but not an egregious amount. It looks like a lot of records need to be "uninjected" before the remastered esp can be loaded by Oblivion, and with Underground09 away, it might be a long time before that gets done.

@jack.q.frost: as for your CTD problem, have you confirmed that ROM is at fault? Have you tried deselecting the ROM mods, rebuilding the bashed patch, and loading the game with ROM absent? If that does work, try saving a game without ROM, re-adding the ROM mod, and loading that save.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:14 pm

Hi all,

ROM is now integrated with BOSS and Wrye Bash, so no manual load ordering or tagging is required anymore.

The main ROM esp should still technically be remastered before bashing, but if this is too much trouble, don't worry about it too much. A few things will be lost, but not an egregious amount. It looks like a lot of records need to be "uninjected" before the remastered esp can be loaded by Oblivion, and with Underground09 away, it might be a long time before that gets done.

Wow, that was good timing. Reinstalled Oblivion yesterday evening and ran through the starter dungeon with OOO and ROM. Then thought about Better Cities, realised that would need a Bashed Patch and read this thread about the difficulties of getting ROM/BOSS/Wrye Bash compatible. Gave up and went to bed instead. Now I wake up to find the problems more or less solved!

So, if i've got lastest BOSS list (well, from yesterday) WryeBash 287 and ROM 2.3 I can just use BOSS to sort the tags and load order the same way as most other mods. Is that correct?

Edit. No. BOSS did not recognise ROM based on yesterday's masterlist, but after updating the list it does (must have been updated last night). Also Wrye Bash 287 won't pick up the BOSS tags, updating to 290 solved the problem.

End Edit

I've been playing since early 2007, and a mod user since late 2007, it's amazing how committed modders continue to push things on.

love the concepts behind ROM by the way. It looks set to add some spice to my default OOO install. (I tried TIE but found it too hardcoe for my limited gaming ability, I'm relatively old)

Completely off topic, but if you want to know hold i am, I was born just over a week after the farthing (a coin) was withdrawn from circulation in the UK. There were 960 farthings in a UK pound.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:27 pm

So... if someone wouldn't mind reviewing my LO.

Things were running great - I then did this:

-upgrade Better Cities to latest
-upgrade Unique Landscapes to latest compilation
-follow myk002's directions for building ROM into the bashed patch.

Now... Oblivion will load, but attempting to load my most recent savegame results in a CTD during the first loading screen.

Thoughts?

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]08  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.0]09  CM Partners.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3]0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0D  Better Cities .esp0E  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp0F  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.0]10  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]11  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]12  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp13  MIS Low Wind.esp14  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp15  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp16  Storms & Sound.esp17  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]18  WindowLightingSystem.esp19  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1A  Reznod_Mannequin.esp1B  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]1C  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.6]1D  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]1E  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]1F  DLCHorseArmor.esp20  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]21  DLCOrrery.esp22  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]23  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp24  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp25  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp26  kuerteeHorseCommands.esp27  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]28  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]29  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp  [Version 1.33]2B  OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp  [Version 1.33]2C  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]2D  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]31  T.I.E4MODS.esp  [Version 0.32]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]32  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp33  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.7]34  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp35  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp36  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]37  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp38  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]39  thievery.esp3A  Knights.esp3B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]3C  ROM Revised Oblivion Mod.esp++  ROM Patch - Bobs Armory.esp3D  ROM Patch - Knights.esp  [Version 2.30]++  ROM Patch - MMM.esp3E  RTT.esp3F  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]40  The Lost Spires.esp++  The Lost Spires v14 Delayer.esp  [Version 2]41  Blood&Mud.esp42  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.COBL]43  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.8]44  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2]++  HeartOftheDeadv6.3 Delayer.esp  [Version 2]45  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]46  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp47  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]48  xulTheHeath.esp49  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp4A  XulEntiusGorge.esp4B  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4C  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]4D  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]4E  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4F  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]50  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp51  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]52  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]53  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]54  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]55  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]56  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp57  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]58  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]59  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp5A  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]5B  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp5C  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp5D  xulPantherRiver.esp5E  Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp5F  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]60  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]61  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]62  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]63  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]64  Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp65  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]66  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]67  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]68  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp69  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]6A  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.1]6B  Castle Wolfspike2.esp6C  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]6D  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp6E  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp6F  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]70  Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp71  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]72  ATakesAll.esp73  StealthOverhaul.esp74  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]++  CoblDeathFix.esp  [Version 1.20]++  DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]75  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp  [Version 4.8.0]76  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 4.8.0]77  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.7.0]78  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.7.0]79  Better Cities - Thievery.esp  [Version 4.8.0]7A  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.0]7B  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7C  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]7D  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.0]7E  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7F  ROM Patch - Better Cities.esp**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Bashed Delayers - MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 2.02]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]80  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Thanks!

Couple things that come to mind:

DId you do a clean save before upgrading Better Cities? That might be an issue. You can revert back to the older version that was in your save and see if tyhat fixes it.
UL should not have a problem but again, a clean save is always advisable. I usually coc testinghall before I upgrade.
For ROM, rememeber you need to put the original unclean ROM for Oblivion to load., not the cleaned one. Use the cleaned one only for building the bashed patch.

If all else fails try loading the save game without the bashed patch active, just to see if that will work.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:32 am

I wonder if there is someone out there who can break ROM into modules. I can see a wider audience if one was able to take some of the features of ROM for their game. Like taking TNR from TIE. I think the magic system from ROM is very good and could fit in alot of games without the other changes, It seems more realistic than any other magic overhaul for the realism player. I think same could fo for combat.

I do not mean that ROM should be abandoned as a whole, far from it, I would like to see further development to have it fit with other overhauls, just looking at marketing aspect for more support

Underground said it was open for the community to modify, so it seems that would be OK.

S'Lider, I google it, and you are a tad older than me, so retirement is too far away to learn modding and do this ourselves

But if the retirement age in England is WAY earlier than the US, maybe you can think about it?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:10 pm

Can someone shed some light on whether you should REALLY make ROM 2.3 have OOO.esp as a MASTER when using Wrye Bash. Underground says Myk002 says you should, but not found anything from Myk on that subject that really confirms this !

I ask becuase I DID make OOO.esp a master in Wrye Bash (as well as manually adding tags, which may have been a mistake), but now I have this strange glitch that WHENEVER I sleep I level up. (with no stats gain, just the level adjusts, and I assume the levelled lists). I can avoid sleeping if need be, but it makes me edgy what else has glitched

I have tried removing various files, and even substituting the mastered ROM with a non mastered ROM and then rebuilding the bashed patch, but it still happens, so I sort of figure it must have been set back in the starting dungeon

Advice appreciated

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:00 am

nice to see that rom made it into the bash patch. Found out when i updated the master list.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:19 am

Can someone shed some light on whether you should REALLY make ROM 2.3 have OOO.esp as a MASTER when using Wrye Bash. Underground says Myk002 says you should, but not found anything from Myk on that subject that really confirms this !

then you haven't really been reading the forums : ) The short version is, you should technically have OOO.esp as a master when building the bashed patch, but use the unmastered version for playing. If you don't want to deal with that, just use the unmastered version for everything and lose a few small ROM changes in-game.

I ask becuase I DID make OOO.esp a master in Wrye Bash (as well as manually adding tags, which may have been a mistake), but now I have this strange glitch that WHENEVER I sleep I level up. (with no stats gain, just the level adjusts, and I assume the levelled lists). I can avoid sleeping if need be, but it makes me edgy what else has glitched

never seen this before, but neither I nor Underground have been able to load the remastered version in-game, either, so I don't know what effects it might have. As for tags, they are now loaded from BOSS, so no manual tagging is required anymore.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:27 am

then you haven't really been reading the forums : ) The short version is, you should technically have OOO.esp as a master when building the bashed patch, but use the unmastered version for playing. If you don't want to deal with that, just use the unmastered version for everything and lose a few small ROM changes in-game.

never seen this before, but neither I nor Underground have been able to load the remastered version in-game, either, so I don't know what effects it might have. As for tags, they are now loaded from BOSS, so no manual tagging is required anymore.

Thank you, admonishment accepted

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:02 pm

Has anyone have npc's dying without even being touched? This started to occur after i put rom in the bash patch. Not sure what mod is causing it though i figure rom is wasnt doing it before.

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Oblivion.esm
You Are Here.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
Oblivifall Master File.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Enhanced Seasons.esp
All Natural.esp
Immersive Interiors.esp
Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
AmbientTownSounds.esp
MIS.esp
MIS Low Wind.esp
MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
Distant Chapel Bells.esp
Storms.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
AmbientDungeons.esp
Days&Months.esp
kuerteeCleanUp.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp
Battle Princess.esp
Chapel Shop.esp
EY_AoD.esp
Underworld Armor.esp
Blackmarsh_Witch_HGEC_Clothing.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Tweaks.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
TIE.esp
Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp
Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp
BrotherhoodRenewed.esp
ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp
ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts Visible From Cyrodiil.esp
Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
VOILA.esp
VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp
Whispers of Death Extended.esp
Knights.esp
ROM Revised Oblivion Mod.esp
Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp
Bag of Holding.esp
Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp
Werewolf-Legends.esp
SupremeDialougeImmersion[The A-MQ].esp
SupremeDialougeImmersion[A-O].esp
StartChoices.esp
Unholy Darkness.esp Dont ask about this one.
Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp
TigerpawsGateCloser.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp
Demon Hunter.esp
Raven Elves.esp
ReallyImmersiveMessages.esp
Detect Life Red Shader.esp
Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer NIF REMOVED.esp
Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Aos Si.esp