Well even the last FO game NV had the fade to black (which was actually more than Skyrim had since you basically just slept in your house to get the Lover's Comfort perk, you didn't even have to talk to your spouse). But waking up in NV to find the person you just did it with laying on top the bed fully clothed did seem odd. Just some underwear, maybe a briast ... I don't know. I forget now what their MATURE rating was given for. Did it even have nudity or sixual references?

I call BS, but think what you want. I'm not going to bash Bethesda for going the path of least resistance here, but I'm also not going to pretend I do not feel they weren't influenced by the current hyper-sensitive pro-LBGT slant in today's media and culture. Personally, I would rather they ditch the romance option all together than do what they appear to have done (not having played the game yet, I admit I am making some assumptions that may turn out to be unfounded). I will also admit that I've never been that big on romancing characters in Bethesda games and I don't feel they have ever done a very good job at it. They HAVE done rather good jobs a developing some varied and interesting companions and my fear is that this romance feature does not interfere with that.

There is a huge difference between diversity and a total lack of any diversity at all. I have no proof that story took a back seat to pursuing a non-controversial set of romance able characters, but they certainly appear to have gone down that road.

Just out of curiosity, if you had to pick would you take all straight LIs or all bi/playersixual LIs? Or no romance at all?

First of all i really could care less about Homosixuals in games.

But it does bother me that my thread got locked because one single person voiced complaint about them.

But this thread has been about nothing but arguing the merits of same six relations for the last 2 pages and nothing is done.


Come on forum mods. show some consistency.

Agreed.

I'm sure there will be Hispanic, African-American, Asian and Caucasian bisixuals as well =)

Your thread went off topic buddy, that's why it was closed. Same six relations is totally within the confines of romance and our hopes and fears about it and thus: on topic.

Edited that in....no romance over the all bi state, but I have absolutely NO issues with some bi or non-straight characters. The world is full of all kinds of people but making them all bi-sixual is silly and boring (IMO).

Well, they definitely talked about making sure they don't exclude the LGBT crowd, that's just being decent human beings... but compared to having openly LGBT characters or exploring all of those themes, is it really so terrible that they decided to go with characters where sixuality is a total non-factor? That's how 99% of Bethesda's characters (across all of their games) have been already, regardless of whether you could romance them in any meaningful way. And it seems a better way of going about it than having one out of the ten or so romanceable characters (to represent a realistic percentage, if that really matters) have to represent the entire LGBT community.

Just to quote myself to answer my own question.

ESRB:

No nudity. No six. I suppose the most we'll see is a fade to black.

I'm fine unless I'm forced into one in the MQ....

Well according to ESRB FO 4 will have less sixual related material than FO3.

FO3 was very tame and had the whole fade to black thing yet they had sixual themes listed.

So perhaps when romancing your companions you wont even have the option to reference six.

Isn't the ESRB rating only for the content in the trailer?

No its the ESRB rating for the entire game. Read a few posts up, not all those things are included in the trailers.

Or possibly a Fallout 3 level of sixual themes just isn't even worth mentioning anymore.

Yeah, I figure that it's just the fact that the relatively-tame content in FO3 (Nova, ooh aah), just isn't as shocking 7 years later. The standards used by rating boards shift over time (both due to society, and due to different people serving on the review board).

Given that everything shown about this game has been the very embodyment of total perfection from the settlemnet building to weapon and power armor modiffications to the the absolute greatness of the new perk based leveling system I see no reason to worry about romances. If you don't want them you can ignore them and if you do want them they will undoubtedly be perfect. At any rate the game is done....all they are doing at this point is likely bug fixing...no characters, dialogue, quests or features will change kick back and wait for the game to come before fearing the worst.

Not sure which is more concerning. Us fearing the worse ... or you assuming perfection. I imagine we'll end up meeting somewhere middle ground where I'll be pleasantly surprised ... and you'll be disappointed.

Dude there is a limit how much can hypea game....perfect is certainly nothing you can say before palying it.

I think it will be fine.

Fallout 4 will not be a banging simulator.

We can have a homely romance with one foot on the floor and no waving of boobs and buttocks.

And everyone gets to romance who they want, if they want to.

Nothing to be scared of...

Just make sure to say "Caitlyn Jenner is brave and a hero!" And the mods will never lock your post! (anyone who saw south park this season knows what's up)

He can certainly say it but it does not make it true (and brings everything else being said into question). I love Bethesda games, but the term, "perfect" is not something I would apply to any previous work.

I don't think it was Anders hitting on them that they didn't like, it was that he got all emo if you turned him down. That and he gave no indication in the previous game that he was Bi.

Isn't that a natural enough reaction tho? Especially for someone who was basically like borderline bipolar wacky spirit [censored] at that stage.

I am not overly concerned about the romances.....there is no way they can be worse than DAI's romances....and the ironic thing is that mutated gay animals would actually fit Fallout without making the entire writing team look like demented freaks.

I've never played one of the Dragon Age games. This thread isn't doing anything to change that.