http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Pelagiad

So Pelagiad Expanded makes Pelagiad bigger, etc... Do you think it needs a governor or any type of overseer/ruler?

Angoril is the highest ranking Imperial Legionnaire in Pelagiad currently. But that doesn't mean he runs Pelagiad; he's just the highest ranking guy in the Imperial Legion who resides there.

Our mod makes it very big, kinda like a metropolis. To explain this lore-wise, after the legionnaires built the modest fort and set up a few homes and a tavern and whatnot, more people began to go there and build homes as the land was vast and wide with plenty of open space. The plantations weren't too far off which meant they could purchase grain from the owners. And the lake was a great water source. So the town just grew and grew over the years. Okay there, that's my lore-friendly explanation as to why it's so big. lol

But my purpose of this post is "does Pelagiad, being so huge, need a governor/count/duke/ruler/overseer?"

Daedric God-King who slays citizens at random with the equivelant of muatra.

:disguise:


If you want to go for something cool and original, that is.

if its a city now, like Balmora or whatnot, then maybe a mayor or an equivalent if in order? to be honest, i don't think i've ever heard of mayor or some such at any city though. logically, they'd want some governmental figure in every city though.

A mayor reminds me too much of Earth. I'm just wanting to know if you'd even need a person in charge of a city like this. I'm thinking you would. Angoril is just a legionnaire and wouldn't have time to be in charge of running a city. I don't like the name governor. Maybe a Duke. But isn't there only one Duke in all of Vvardenfell?

EDIT: Wrong title.

No duke, as there is already a duke of all of Vvardenfell.

You didn't make Pelagiad bigger. It was small because of game limitations.

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Have the garrison commander - a legionnaire, not Angoril, he's paramilitary and above the law, anyway - be in charge. Or add dialogue saying the mayor/governor is on holiday, in the Illiac; or he's with his daughter, before she's initiated into the Temple of Mother-Cyrod's Labor, an oracle cult of the three goddesses (Dibella, Mara, Kinareth). They say the girls are left alone, on mountain tops, where they interpret Cyrodiil's "birth-pangs," for the "Child of the Blue Heaven." It's an ancient and weird cult.


Mayor reminds you too much of earth, but, like, every other title doesn't?

There is a king of Morrowind and a duke of Vvardenfell. Not a archduke, mind you, but a duke. I'd say that there is a marque of The Ascaidian Isles, and thus a baron of Individual towns. You could also make it a Hlaalu leader, or both (Baron Ansdar Andarys or something)

I imagine that, since the town has it's roots in an Imperial fort, authority would be derived from the empire. So look at similar situations: Who's in charge of the fort in solstheim?
Perhaps a better example would be Caldera, which has a governor.
However, that town exists because of the mining charter, and not as a natural accumulation of population... So I don't know.

I would say that there are two options: If the town has imperial recognition as being more than just a fort, then there will be a governor.
If it's viewed as an unofficial settlement around the fort, then the person in charge of the fort will have ultimate authority.

Or a Baronet

All these Imperial "towns" start out as forts. Then, the families of the soldiers move in, still under the jurisdiction of the Legion Captain.

Then, merchants will start to move in and that's when it starts to become a real town.

If Pelagiad expands enough, they might assign a "decurion" to watch over it. The leader of the legionaries in the forts will keep order, but Pelagiad's population wouldn't grow without a decurion. That's the person who would handle civil matters and organize festivals for holidays.

Governor General? Administrator (of the East Empire Company)? I don't think the ruler of Pelagiad, a town formed as part of an imperial charter to mine ebony for the EEC, would follow regional feudalistic tradition. Whatever the highest position in Bloodmoon's EEC faction is?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say in basic Morrowind that since Pelagiad is an Imperial town with a big Fort in the center, then the ranking Legion officer pretty much runs the town.

The best way is to have a mayor of the town, with the military element separate. You can create tension with this by the mayor being the day to day operator of the city, but he knows he can't control the military or stop them if they want to institute martial law.

If you don't like the term Mayor, use the term Burgomeister.

My guess a Governor of some sorts

I re-enforce my Hlaalu Baron Idea, but present two other options. An east-empire company factor (an imperial) or an imperial legion governor (any type of human besides Red Guard)

Pelagiad wasn't formed on a mining charter, that was Caldera.

But still, I don't think it will follow regional customs in naming an authority. It doesn't follow regional customs in any other way.

IIRC, NPC's in Caldera call someone at the Governor's house a "reeve". If you wanted a more minor authority figure, on par with a mayor, without introducing new elements to lore, "reeve" might be a good option.

Doh! Sorry, it's been a little while since I last played Morrowind you're right. Hmmm, it's too close to Ebonheart to be a remote outpost. My guess is that Pelagiad was a precolonial Legion fort that maintained the highroads around Vivec, protected the road to Ghostgate, and kept the Ashlanders from wandering into 'civilized lands'. This assumes that Balmora was settled after colonization of Vvardenfell opened up (a fair assumption too).

Therefore, the ruling authority would be the legion, therefore, either the ranking legion officer would simply keep his rank as authority of Pelagiad or he'd be the Governor General as I suggested earlier. However, if you want to play up the exoticness of Netch and Netch Farming in other places of the Empire, you can make a case that the EEC has some limited interest in the lowlands and so the Legion's primary presence is in protecting EEC interests like they do in Caldera. But that'd sky-rocket the value of a Netch. Who knows, maybe people in the Imperial City like eating or concocting potions out of a Netch's air-bladder because it makes them fly for a time.

Something new and intriguing like Lord Founder, but not that. Something like Baron?

A magistrate, perhaps?

That's a judge.

The Roman equivalent to mayor, at least, would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decurion_(administrative).

Yes, but there are no decurions in Morrowind.



I kinda like the way that sounds. And with that idea in mind, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Angoril would be in charge of the city. Although he could/should have a small group of officials who advise him on how to run the city, perhaps other members of the Imperial Legion. Then again, he is an Altmer and I think lore-wise, the ruler of a one of the main cities would and should probably be either a dark elf or an imperial. Since it's an imperial charted town, I'm kinda leaning towards having an Imperial legionnaire imperial man be in charge. He would have just been another troop sent over there to aid Angoril, and eventually took over running the city while angoril was in charge of the jail cells, etc....

And the EEC is so far up north, I don't think they'd be of any concern to Pelagiad. Or perhaps I wasn't clear on what you were getting at.



I couldn't find any reference on uespwiki of the usage of the world "reeve". You can't recall who said it?

The East Empire Company handles all trade to and from Vvardenfell (presumably all of Morrowind). Their local headquarters, after all, is in Ebonheart. If you look in the crates that Ebonheart's warehouses and docks contain, you'll find more than just ebony, glass, Limeware, and Dwemeri artifacts. So they must have some kind of presence in the agriculture business, even if they just buy it off of local merchants and most of Vvardenfell's farmlands are in the Ascadian Isles. It'd make sense to have an outpost closer to those farms and the legion presence would protect the farms and thereby the EEC's interests. Protecting the Pilgrim's Path and Vivec is just a side-duty. At least that's what I'm suggesting if the EEC ruled Pelagiad. Yes it messes the lore up a tiny bit, but I think it's more interesting this way. Provides a nice conflict between locals, foreigners, Legion, and EEC. Not to mention it turns Pelagiad into a riper target for the Thieves guild to control, it being an Imperial town and therefore harder for the Commona Tong to muscle in on.

Your view is also pretty good. What you should watch out for, though is how the city, its economy, and its duties have changed since Colonization. Ghost-fence is up, the Ashlanders have to wander through two House-controlled areas to get into the region, and whatever crime there is is either small-time or under the thumb of Commona Tong or Thieves Guild, which like most mafias makes their members difficult to arrest, even without stringent Habeas Corpus laws. That part of Vvardenfell isn't as wild anymore. Which makes it a ripe target for corruption.

Haha, I like that.
After all, now that levitation spells are banned, they've gotta get their kicks some how.

Well I was reading http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:East_Empire_Company and it seems that the EEC has offices in Ebonheart and Fort Frostmoth. But I guess that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have influence over Pelagiad. In fact, there could be a few members of the company that reside there in Pelagiad and to assist Angoril with the trade and other such business, or whoever would be in charge. I'm not so sure about setting up an office in Pelagiad. Wouldn't that kinda disrupt the lore if there was an EEC office there?