Savegame screenshots malfunctioning : IV

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:33 am

I have a big stable modlist, good framerates. I'm happy. Just two issues, both of which I can live with, but I don't know what's causing them.

The savegame screenshots--the ones that appear on your list of saves on the screen where you choose which to load--are just a blur of color. Not a blurry picture. But each one is different. So, I suspect they are pics, just messed up.
Clicking on rubies crashes the game. I'm really not sure if it is only rubies, but I haven't noticed it with anything else, and I do a fair bit of crafting.

Load order below. I also run OBSE, OBGE, Elys uncapper, Elys silent voice, OSR, weOCPS, Sound Commands and Pluggy. I play with wrinklyninja's Cel Shader + EdgeAA shader active.

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Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 GTAesgaard_2.esm
02 Windfall.esm
03 You Are Here.esm
04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
07 Qarls_Harvest.esm
08 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
09 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
0A CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
0B FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0C Open Cities Resources.esm [Version 3.3.2]
0D NNWAEMaster.esm [Version 1.1]
0E CM Partners.esm
++ MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp
0F Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.4]
10 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
11 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
12 SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.05]
++ Shivering OOO.esp
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
15 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
16 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
17 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
18 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
++ Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.1]
19 WindowLightingSystem.esp
1A AmbientDungeons.esp [Version 1.3]
1B AliveWaters.esp
1C AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
1D AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
1E kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp
1F AFK_PrayerIdles.esp [Version 1.0]
20 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
21 Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp
22 Qarls_Harvest.esp
23 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.1]
24 C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp
25 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.3.1]
26 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
27 DLCOrrery.esp
28 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
29 SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 1.11]
2A DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
2B DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
2C SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp [Version 1.11]
2D DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
2E SSA.esp [Version 2.0]
2F Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
30 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
31 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
32 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
33 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
34 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
35 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
36 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
** OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
37 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
38 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
39 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3A Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3B Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3C Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3D Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3E Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3F Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
40 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
41 beardy.esp
42 Chapels.esp
43 Qarls_Harvest addon_MMM.esp
44 C&C - The Blackwood Company - OOO.esp
45 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
46 OCC-Ivellon-Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
47 AdenseEpicDungeon1_5.esp
48 AyleidArrows.esp [Version 1.8]
49 BD&R - Deepgrave.esp
4A (DC) Sutch Reborn.esp
4B Dwarven Mines.esp
4C GTAesgaard.esp
4D GTAesgaard_2.esp
4E HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 5.5]
++ HOD_delayer.esp
4F JolardHome.esp
50 Feudal Empire 300.esp
51 EiAmod.esp [Version 1.1]
++ EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp
52 LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp [Version 2.5]
53 LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp
54 LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp
++ LostSwordOfTheAylied_delayer.esp
55 Mimics!.esp
56 NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp [Version 2.1a]
57 NNWARE01EV-Sercen.esp
58 NNWARE02EV-Trumbe.esp
59 NNWARE03EV-Piukanda.esp
5A NNWARE04EV-Veyond.esp
5B NNWARE05EV-Bawn.esp [Version .]
5C ThePaleAdventurer.esp
5D Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
5E The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.2]
5F The Crimson Queen.esp
60 TheElderCouncil.esp
61 Windfall.esp
62 za_bankmod.esp
63 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
64 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
65 SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp [Version 1.2]
66 Knights.esp
67 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
++ SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]
68 OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp [Version 2.1]
69 AFK_Weye.esp
6A Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp
6B Mighty Umbra.esp
6C Blood&Mud.esp
6D Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
6E Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp
6F Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
70 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
71 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5.3]
72 NRB4+Vineyard Patch.esp
73 Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.1]
74 Vergayun.esp [Version 1.0.3]
75 Faregyl.esp [Version 1.0.10]
76 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
77 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
78 xulTheHeath.esp
79 XulEntiusGorge.esp
7A xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
7B TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
7C xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
7D xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
7E xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.3]
7F SutchReborn-LostCoast patch.esp
80 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
81 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
82 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
83 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
84 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
85 Mimics-CloudtopMountains patch.esp
86 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
87 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
88 LostSwordoftheAyleids-ArriusCreek patch.esp
89 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
8A xulPantherRiver.esp
8B xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
8C xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
8D xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
8E xulBlackwoodForest.esp
8F xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
90 Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
91 DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
92 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
93 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
94 EtInArkay-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp
95 Open Cities New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.1]
96 Open Cities Outer Districts.esp [Version 3.3.2]
97 Open Cities Full + Bravil Blood & Mud + Leyawiin Reborn.esp [Version 3.3.3]
98 OCC-ULCH-Patch.esp [Version 2.2]
99 OCC-OOO-Patch.esp [Version 2.3]
9A NRB4+UL-II+LtPD+OCOD Patch.esp [Version 3.0.1]
9B OCLR+ULBWForest Patch.esp
9C OC+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
9D BarrowFields-Blood&Mud-Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
9E RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp [Version 1.3.2]
9F NRB4+RR Patch.esp [Version 2.1]
A0 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
A1 Birthsigns Expanded.esp [Version 3.]
A2 DS Portable Sorters.esp [Version 1.1]
A3 Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp [Version 3.2.0]
A4 Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones.esp
A5 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
A6 Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 1.0]
A7 Lightweight Potions.esp [Version 1.1]
A8 Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5]
++ Oblivion XP - Journal Mod Patch.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
A9 TRAP.esp
AA TheOubliette.esp
** NRB4 OCLR Road Record.esp
++ TFF_FantasyFigures_Base.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
++ ThePaleAdventurer_delayer.esp
++ Bashed Delayers NE - MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.06]
AB Bashed Patch, 0.esp

gothemasticator

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:03 pm

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:26 am

#1 Regenerate the Oblivion.ini.

Thanks. I hadn't thought of trying that for this problem. I'll see if it works.

#2 3D Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] <-- You should not use this with FCOM or OOO. OOO already has G&GD. If you want a more advanced version get the OBSE rewrite for OOO. There is a link on the TESIV:POSItive Downloading Mods page.

Eh... It may not work the way the authors intend, but it works in a way I like. I've set up FCOM with and without the MMM G&GD plugin, and I prefer it with.

I am curious, though, to find out why rubies (and it does seem to be only rubies after more testing) crash the game. I suppose some TES4Edit-ing is in order... Still, if anyone has a clever idea about what I might look for first, that would be appreciated.

gothemasticator

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:31 am

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:27 pm

No. It is conflicting with OOO. Do you understand that?

Edit: Try the OBSE rewrite for OOO, but there is no reason to leave a known conflict in your load order.

Hey, Tomlong, conflict doesn't necessitate crashing. I'm interested in tracking down exactly what is causing the crash. Since everything besides rubies is working in a way I like, I'm going to look into TES4Edit and see if I can't figure it out. And, yes, if it turns out there's no way for me to resolve the crash without changing or doing away with the plugin, I will.

There's plenty of reasons to leave known conflicts in your load order. See, for example, the various ways you can use both LAME and Suprem Magicka. Conflicts just mean one mod is winning out. Up to me if I prefer a different winner than most, isn't it?

gothemasticator

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:42 am

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:25 am

No. It is conflicting with OOO. Do you understand that?

Do you understand the nature of the conflict?

Some gems end up with OOO scripts, others end up with MMM scripts. For a lot of people, the only problem is inconsistent behaviour between gems from the different sources.

Some people have crashes, yes, and some people have very severe crashes. A lot of people can use them both just fine as long as they don't mind the inconsistent behaviour.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:24 am

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:09 pm

Yes, I have heard, and it seems that gothemasticator, unfortunately, falls in to the unfortunate group.

If you read my original post again, you'll see that

I know what I'm doing.
It's a minor issue I'm curious about fixing but can live with.

It's just not very helpful to just tell me to do things your way. It's not very helpful to not acknowledge that I have my own preferences. It's not very helpful to get a last disparaging word in and then leave the thread, having established yourself as knowing better.

I'll let y'all know if I find something clever with TES4Edit.

gothemasticator

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:09 am

Quite probably yes. The OBSE rebuild may be of help with preventing the crashes.

But, if he wants to use TES4Edit to see if he can find an error, more power to him. Perhaps someone might find the cause of the crashes someday and I'd hate to discourage anyone from trying.

That's why I'm against a blanket statement of "Don't use G&GD with OOO". Make them aware of the potential conflict, make them aware of the OBSE rebuild and let them decide for themselves if the conflict is bad enough.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:31 am