So i was just browsing the the fallout 3 vault and saw this bit in the did you know bit.

That J.E Sawyer wants to make a game set during the Resouce Wars.

I found this after a little searching.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_Resource_Wars

Not sure if many people have heard this but thought i'd let you know.

Plus any game set before the great war should be fun.

If it was made and does not become one big Operation anchorage and they keep the lore right and have an awesome story for it. It would be interesting to see. But could it really be fallout with out the wasteland?

Looks interesting. Wonder if it'll ever get made. Maybe if FONV makes alot of money Mr. Sawyer will get his wish.

It's definitely an interesting concept, and I know my memory is a bit rusty, but wasn't it mentioned in Van Buren that the Royal Armored Corps by the time of the Resource Wars had abandoned their main battle tanks, due to fuel shortages and had become armored-recon centric? Also, yet again, my memory is rusty, but wasn't the BA at this point in time still using the L85/L86, L4, SLR & Taden gun(as they had not adopted energy weapons).

I'd just love to see what a pre war fallout looked like

and see what they could with another location instead of USA

I'm also assuming that the BOAR(British Army of the Rhine) would still be operation as it is doubtful that Germany United or that "Options for Change" was implemented.

Some interesting things could be done with this I hope it does get made

Maybe.

I would like to see the fighting just before the Great and War and just AFTER it. Like the opening could be you as a soldier fighting, and then have a great flash and then a screen that says "10 Years Later" and now you are wandering the wastes or so.....

The one major problem would be the fact, that it seems that the nations of the European Commonwealth kept their national armies(though employed in common defense), I could imagine that playing as the EC would quickly become a logistical nightmare, as the player would have to command multiple forces with very different command structures and equipment.

Sounds good to me, when are they making this?

i read about this a while back and i looked awsome especially with the better graphics now and pre-war europe will be a nice and awsome change especially if it ends as the nukes are dropped

Id rather see it as non fallout IP, but with a very similar story...

While I think Josh is an awesome guy and has had MANY brilliant ideas (or at the very least told us forum-junkies some of the changes in New Vegas), such as breaking down big guns and including different munition types (Josh is a gun lover), but this is one thing that I differ with him on.

The Resource War is essentially an ancient battle in my eyes, much like famous battles such as the Battle of Thermopylae or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tyre (to sum up what basically happened, Tyre was a heavily walled city that rested on an island. Rather than go by ship and lose virtually all his men, he had his men take tons of rocks and form a bridge, turning the island into a peninsula that still stands today). Battles such as this are unknown to us, except for what the past has left us. And much like the past is for us, I see pre-war as that "Time before time" sort of setting, where there are still reminders of what it once was like, but still shrouded in mystery. And I personally think it should stay that way.

Now certain mechanics that Josh wanted implimented with his game I wouldn't mind however (for instance he wanted Speech to be broken into Persuasion and Deception. Persuasion would allow you to have diplomatic relations (basically what speech currently is), while Deception would factor how well you could lie and your ability to disguise (rather than having sneak affect this). I would love to see implements like this, but not the pre-war setting. Let's leave Fallout as a post-apocalyptic 50s utopia-turned-dystopia.

That surely sounds good but it would require a really good game mechanic to make that work.
Multiplayer ok, but will it be a RPG/shooter like Fallout 3 , or battlefield 2 clone in Fallout clothing ? Such a title cannot live on its backstory alone it needs real good multiplayer and thats not something Sawyer has experience in.

Battle for fuel should be a centerpiece so there would not be much vehicle action. The weapons in Fallout 2 and Van Buren could be clue for who the main factions in this conflict were.

Most of them were german manufactured weapons like the imaginary 2 mm M72 Gauss rifle (Propably introduced in 2072) but also many real world ones like the HK G11, HK CAWS. There was a british assault rifle in Fallout 2 as well as Italian , Austrian and Belgian weapons.

This of course could also just reflect that the main european weapon manufactures were the same in the Fallout world as in the real world.

Sounds fun to me. Expecially it could be fun real-time strategy game.

I would rather see a game set in Europe after The Great War, The reason I like Fallout is because of the Wasteland exploration and seeing stuff you can familiarize yourself with except it has been decaying for 100+ years.

I'd love to play a scenario similar to this from Twilight 2000.

I think it would sound really great, especially if they keep the 'keep your find' thing fallout does, you find guns on soldiers, food in fridges and so on.

Also, I think it would be great if it ends with you being an American Soldier, and it ends with a nearby jukebox/military radio. stating the West Coast has just been hit/ whole of the US has been hit by nuclear and (whatever you call regular missles and non nuclear warheads) for two hours.

Seems like the only way to do such a thing would be to make it FPS and not so much of an RPG.

It's a cool idea considering it would really explore the lore even more and give us better idea of what pre-war life was like. On the other hand, the Fallout series has been known for the wasteland and super mutants. It would be a very different game than what we're use too. But I wouldn't shoot down the idea, it is something I'd like to see them explore.

It is true that it would definitely need to be more FPS, but that doesn't mean it has to be less of a RPG
Also in relation to the topic, I love this idea and I hope Sawyer gets to put his idea into motion.
And we might possibly/loosely hear about the fate of Australia and whether we participated in the resource wars.
Also, if an idea similar to "Greatest alive"'s is put into action then we can (hopefully) learn whether some countries
in Europe/Australasia survived and stop some of these forum debates.
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Hmmm, I wouldn't want an entire game based off of it, but it would be interesting to have a game intro with at tops, 3 quests that is set before the war. being an American soldier during the Denver riots would be fun. I don't know how that would fit into the story of said game, though.

If it's anything like Modern Warfare, Battlefield Bad Company 2, or Starcraft 2, I'm all for it. David Drake used to write good alternate reality stories like the Resource Wars.

I don't know about any of you, but I, and some friends of mine, always thought of the Resource Wars game as an RTS.

Althought the Battlefield scenario sounds nice, I'd rather have it something like COD with RPG elements/Fallout 3 but linear if they made it a shooter.

I still prefer the RTS above all, it just makes more sense to me.

That would be really interesting. An idea that I have for sometime now is that there can be a RTS game as a prequel to Fallout. You play as a young office in the US military during the Resource Wars. During the course of the game you will see the government engage in more and more morally questionable action. At the end you will have to decide to either support or abandon the government. If you refused to follow orders but performed well, you will get transfered back to the main land and stationed at the Mariposa Military Base. Eventually becoming one of the founding members of the Brotherhood of Steel. But if you performance are average, then you will get discharged. You eventually get into Vault 15 as a civilian and your children became the founders of the New California Republic. If you performed poorly, they will just shoot you. But on the other hand, if you follow all your orders. You will be invited to join the Enclave on the oil rig.

What do you guys think?

The idea isn't bad at all. Although Lorewise it might be more interesting if there would be multiple factions, the resource wars had mostly taken place in the middle east with the OPEC nations situated there and the European Commonwealth as major players.

True, the war between USA and the Peoples Republic of China is also a part of the resource wars, but as an European, I have to say I am prejudiced (to the extreme perhaps) to see it taking place there.

If it is going to be an RTS, multiple factions are a must IMHO. Usa is nice and all, but there were more major players, China being the biggest and the EC being the most interesting to me.


That being said, I think your Idea is pretty good Thomas Chan, and love to see it in a game.